Quintana??

[staubsauger]

Ridiculous

The Brits were abusing Tramadol for years. Now they're busting Quintana who actually was hit by a car last summer and has chronic knee pain since.

Hypocrisy.

 

[solo80k]

Finished second on Granon, "only" 1 minute behind Fisherman. Sounds legit to me.

 

[hrotha]

Ridiculous

The Brits were abusing Tramadol for years. Now they're busting Quintana who actually was hit by a car last summer and has chronic knee pain since.

Hypocrisy.

This is dumb. Tramadol wasn't banned then, it is banned now. If Quintana needs banned painkillers, TUEs are a thing.

 

[houtdffan]

so, we are back to the days of no suspensions for doping?

If so, just give him an old fashioned 10 minute time penalty and go on

 

[PhiLiz]

so, we are back to the days of no suspensions for doping?

If so, just give him an old fashioned 10 minute time penalty and go on

It's not technically doping. It's "just" a violation of the Medical Rules not the Anti-Doping Rules.

 

[Mayomaniac]

It's not technically doping. It's "just" a violation of the Medical Rules not the Anti-Doping Rules.

Just like the 50% rule that was also introduced for health reasons back in the day...

 

[Tim Cahill]

Anyone checked on Ryo?

#FreeQuintana
#MALInnocent

 

[staubsauger]

This is dumb. Tramadol wasn't banned then, it is banned now. If Quintana needs banned painkillers, TUEs are a thing.

They only catch who they want to catch anyway. You are experienced enough to know that.

 

[PhiLiz]

Just like the 50% rule that was also introduced for health reasons back in the day...

Yep, precisely.

 

[F_Cance]

he is lucky that the two positive tests are counted as one incident. If not he would get a suspension.

 

[samhocking]

More interesting than UCI rule minutia is was it Team Dr or self-prescribed? That will open the team up to French law potentially. I never felt comfortable after the team at last years Tour allowed Quintana to use his personal Dr in Colombia instead of the Team Dr, always seemed a weird setup. I mean some riders like e.g. Nibali bring their Dr to the new team with them, but at least they're staff and not just flying in for Le Tour for 3 weeks.

 

[glassmoon]

Is Arkea part of MPCC? What is the MPCC stance regarding the (during the competition) tramadol?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Really strange one, as mentioned the usage was widespread amongst big teams like SKY and Rabo a few years back and was outright admitted to be in use, Wiggo himself told Dan Roan in his BBC interview yeah we used to use it for training.

It's very well publicised to be banned and as far as I know easily detectable, so what's his doctor doing, surely they aren't this amateur? Maybe because his team is MPCC they had to subvert getting a Cortico TUE as they would usually do.

New contract yesterday so something odd with that timing as well maybe.

 

[Mayomaniac]

More interesting than UCI rule minutia is was it Team Dr or self-prescribed? That will open the team up to French law potentially. I never felt comfortable after the team at last years Tour allowed Quintana to use his personal Dr in Colombia instead of the Team Dr, always seemed a weird setup. I mean some riders like e.g. Nibali bring their Dr to the new team with them, but at least they're staff and not just flying in for Le Tour for 3 weeks.

Could tramadol have something to do with his outliner performances on some mtfs/mountain stages at Arkea and his apparent lack of recovery? Maybe fueling up with lots of tramadol on the big days explains some of his big watts explosions at Arkea.

 

[glassmoon]

MPCC web site:

MPCC is also a whistleblower on corticosteroids, tramadol, stilnox and mechanical doping.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Really strange one, as mentioned the usage was widespread amongst big teams like SKY and Rabo a few years back and was outright admitted to be in use, Wiggo himself told Dan Roan in his BBC interview yeah we used to use it for training.

It's very well publicised to be banned and as far as I know easily detectable, so what's his doctor doing, surely they aren't this amateur? Maybe because his team is MPCC they had to subvert getting a Cortico TUE as they would usually do.

New contract yesterday so something odd with that timing as well maybe.

Self medication by him or his doctor because the team doesn't allow him to get TUEs sounds like the most plausible option to me.

 

[IndianCyclist]

The smoke was there since 2020, it has now become a fire

 

[samhocking]

Self medication by him or his doctor because the team doesn't allow him to get TUEs sounds like the most plausible option to me.

Arkea refuses to use the TUE system? First I've heard of that. Even the MPCC allow TUEs. Saying that, the stigma of using them is probably enough to send riders to break rules instead or go home. I think last year, UCI only issued 9 TUEs in total.

 

[hfer07]

Oh, Quintanita got bad advice on it. Movistar seemed more savvy after all....
BTW Tramadol, which has been abused for years is banned...but not considered doping? so under what category tramadol falls under, since it's properties aren't performance enhancing?

 

[carolina]

I think they only refuse to let riders compete while they have a TUE.

 

[Rico044]

I think this an echo positive from a transfusion. No rider is stupid enough to use an easily detectable drug on a day you are likely to be tested. He was probably using it during training where it is permitted, and it didn't clear his system by the time he extracted blood. He reinfused the blood before those key stages and it still had tramadol in it. Just my opinion....

 

[samhocking]

The

I think they only refuse to let riders compete while they have a TUE.

That's only for MPCC members taking corticosteroids, they have to take 8 days out of competition before returning with a cortisol level above minimum allowed. I don't think there's any evidence Tramadol is used as a replacement for Corticosteorids in those 8 days. Besides UCI also require 8 days now too iirc.

 

[ppanther92]

Ridiculous

The Brits were abusing Tramadol for years. Now they're busting Quintana who actually was hit by a car last summer and has chronic knee pain since.

Hypocrisy.

Hm, I get the point but the Tramadol ban is only in place since 2019. I just don't get why you use it then... I doubt that the effect is huge and I also doubt that there is no unsanctioned painkiller.

 

[ppanther92]

I think this an echo positive from a transfusion. No rider is stupid enough to use an easily detectable drug on a day you are likely to be tested. He was probably using it during training where it is permitted, and it didn't clear his system by the time he extracted blood. He reinfused the blood before those key stages and it still had tramadol in it. Just my opinion....

Tbh, that seems almost more plausible to me as well than to randomly popping a prohibited, easily detectable pill on days where its indeed likely to be tested.

 

[ppanther92]

Self medication by him or his doctor because the team doesn't allow him to get TUEs sounds like the most plausible option to me.

And there is no other painkiller option at all?