Giro d'Italia Rate the 2024 Giro d'Italia Route

[staubsauger]

I fully expect them not to do Stelvio too. But we'll find out on the rest day.

That would be good actually. Stelvio shouldn't be wasted like this.

 

[houtdffan]

The Livigno stage had to be changed, and now features the Mortirolo:

before:

after:

RCS Press Release: "Keeping Alpine passes such as the Forcola di Livigno safe would be a huge cost. For this reason, the Department of Infrastructure, Energy and Mobility of Graubünden (Switzerland) didn't accept the passage of the race.

Therefore, the 15th stage of the Giro d'Italia, Manerba del Garda - Livigno, is changed as follows: after climbing the Val Camonica, the race, having passed Edolo, instead of climbing towards Aprica turns towards the Mortirolo, which is climbed from the Monno side (maximum gradients only in the last kilometres at San Giacomo around 16%). The descent will be to Grosio and the climb up Valtellina to Bormio along the old road through Cepina. Climb of the Motte to Isolaccia followed by the ascent to the Foscagno Pass (14.6 km at 6.5%). After the short descent from Ponte del Rez (just before Trepalle), the route moves to the Eira pass, where the original route returns to the asphalt road along the Mottolino."

ummm, that is a MAJOR change to the entire character of the race. UCI should not allow these types of last minute changes

 

[Red Rick]

Well itsn't it more or less the same stage? Stage even looks a bit harder, so dno what all the complaining is about. If they wanted Gavia, they probably would have included it at first

Sure, you may get more total desnivel+ but you go from having a bona fide HC penultimate climb that's very attackable to a 6% grinder where it's gonna be super hard to get a gap.

Now ofcourse we're gonna look at Pog and Pog can win because lol he has the one click 'i win' button this coming Giro, but these parcours changes are so big and so late it shouldn't just be handwaved away

 

[nightowl]

ummm, that is a MAJOR change to the entire character of the race. UCI should not allow these types of last minute changes

The UCI can’t do anything about it - they can’t force roads to be opened, etc.

It is pretty ridiculous that they presented the initial stage, though, seemingly without ever really believing it would happen. There should be more regulations in place for race organizers when submitting routes, showing that they have approval before they do their presentation…

 

[Red Rick]

That would be good actually. Stelvio shouldn't be wasted like this.

I really don't understand why people care so much about that. We've had Mortirolo from the super weak side wasted like 3 of the last 4 times now.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Sure, you may get more total desnivel+ but you go from having a bona fide HC penultimate climb that's very attackable to a 6% grinder where it's gonna be super hard to get a gap.

Now ofcourse we're gonna look at Pog and Pog can win because lol he has the one click 'i win' button this coming Giro, but these parcours changes are so big and so late it shouldn't just be handwaved away

Give Teddy 4500 m of elevation gain and he becomes slower than my grandma. Nairoman will show him how to climb then!

 

[Red Rick]

Give Teddy 4500 m of elevation gain and he becomes slower than my grandma. Nairoman will show him how to climb then!

Teddy ain't Vingegaard, but I smell some very serious post hoc fallacy going on.

 

[staubsauger]

I really don't understand why people care so much about that. We've had Mortirolo from the super weak side wasted like 3 of the last 4 times now.

Thanks for the reminder. I need a Mümmelmann Jagdlikör for inner pice now!

 

[Netserk]

I really don't understand why people care so much about that. We've had Mortirolo from the super weak side wasted like 3 of the last 4 times now.

Mortirolo wasn't Cima Coppi any of those times. Stelvio is.

 

[Mayomaniac]

RCS with Italian WWII level logistics, just as usual...

Serious, they could easy have a harder side of the Mortirolo here. Either the one they did on the 2012 Stelvio stage (as much as we don't like that cursed Giro) or from Monno the recta/drittone Contador. Cause why name a side of the climb after Contador (before he even did something relevant on the climb in the 2015 Giro) only to never use it?

The 2012 side:

The Contador side:

 

[Netserk]

Serious, they could easy have a harder side of the Mortirolo here. Either the one they did on the 2012 Stelvio stage

I think that would make the stage too long.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I think that would make the stage too long.

Yeah, but still. Seriously, Vegni has to go asap!

 

[Netserk]

The Tovo side would add ~32 km to the stage length, making it 252 km long.

Going over Gavia instead of Mortirolo would ~11.5 km if you keep Le Motte. Completely doable.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Sure, you may get more total desnivel+ but you go from having a bona fide HC penultimate climb that's very attackable to a 6% grinder where it's gonna be super hard to get a gap.

Now ofcourse we're gonna look at Pog and Pog can win because lol he has the one click 'i win' button this coming Giro, but these parcours changes are so big and so late it shouldn't just be handwaved away

I didnt really study the climbs that hard tbh, it just looked more or less the same to me.

Its nothing new under the sun - the only reason to watch the race is Pogacar destroying ppl. Think Contador 2011, but 2x, and Im looking forward to that regardless of the change and RCS being a bunch of complete morons

 

[zlev11]

if Zomengan got fired for the Crostis debacle then surely Vengi should be fired for this

this race is going to be a travesty. i was looking at the route again the other day and i threw up in my mouth. and now the only good thing about it is changed. horrible.

 

[Red Rick]

if Zomengan got fired for the Crostis debacle then surely Vengi should be fired for this

this race is going to be a travesty. i was looking at the route again the other day and i threw up in my mouth. and now the only good thing about it is changed. horrible.

Hey now. There's one thing left.

All we're waiting for is "dangerous Monte Grappa descent taken out. What were we thinking going down not once, but twice. Make it unipuerto MTF instead.

 

[nightowl]

Hey now. There's one thing left.

All we're waiting for is "dangerous Monte Grappa descent taken out. What were we thinking going down not once, but twice. Make it unipuerto MTF instead.

Shhh, don’t give them any ideas…

 

[zlev11]

Hey now. There's one thing left.

All we're waiting for is "dangerous Monte Grappa descent taken out. What were we thinking going down not once, but twice. Make it unipuerto MTF instead.

lol. that stage is good but the GC race will most likely be long over before they even get there since Pogacar is riding.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Better to do it now then during the race.

 

[Gigs_98]

Lmao, I was actually even excited for a second reading they added the Moritrolo to that stage. The original one with the 2012 side added before Forcola di Livigno would have made this a proper queen stage. But instead this...honestly it's amost starting to get funny.

Just for the fun of it, here are the updated average gradients of the "main climbs" of every stage that a generous person might call a mountain stage. Not that this gives a complete picture or anything, but still, baffling.
Stage 2: 6.2% (Oropa)
Stage 7: 7.0% (Prati di Tivo)
Stage 10: 5.6% (Bocca della Selva)
Stage 15: 6.4% (Passo di Foscagno)
Stage 16: 5.4% (Passo Pinei)
Stage 17: 6.4% (Passo Brocon)
Stage 19: 5.4% (Cima Sappada)
Stage 20: 8.1% (Monte Grappa)

As I said, it's not like average gradients give you a complete picture, but it's honestly not like there are many killer ramps hiding in any of those climbs. Most of these climbs really are as shallow as these numbers make it sound. I just cannot understand how any race organizers could think this is acceptable for a 21st century GT.

 

[Netserk]

All stage profiles in one picture by @ammattipyoraily:

The original profiles:

 

[CyclistAbi]

So around 10 stages that look good for Pogi.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Fairplay this is such a pathetic route.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar should do active rest in the second week. Just follow wheels and try to keep his energy for the Tour.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

It continues.

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