Saturday, June 30 - Tour de France, Prologue: Liege - Liege, 6,4 km

[cineteq]

Hey guys what place did the great Sagan come in?

54 Peter SAGAN LIQ +24
He was +10 at the intermediate.

 

[FellOff]

He didn't limit his losses, he did a great time. Just 10 sec. off a rider that can be ITT world champion.

Well, he certainly lost time, and certainly limited it to a small amount. Call it a win if you prefer.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

No, I think you have just watched a prologue of 6 km and already stating that only 4 can win. That's nonsense.

Well, we'll see in 3 weeks. I will happily admit I am wrong if someone else wins, hopefully you will agree to do the same.

 

[AussieEdge]

Well, he certainly lost time, and certainly limited it to a small amount. Call it a win if you prefer.

limted to a deficit he could make and pass in 3 weeks

 

[Ferminal]

Things we learnt today.
1. Only 4 men can win the overall, Wiggo, Froome, Evans and Menchov. Menchov in particular has boosted his chances today.

I wouldn't rule Nibali out just yet, Liquigas might get in a breakaway tomorrow and he could get a few minutes.

 

[Rocksteady]

54 Peter SAGAN LIQ +24
He was +10 at the intermediate.

He also over-cooked a corner and practically set his bike down.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Well, we'll see in 3 weeks. I will happily admit I am wrong if someone else wins, hopefully you will agree to do the same.

Eh, well.. It doesn't exactly take an expert to predict 4 huge pre-favorites to win.. I haven't said none of them will win but to say the race is already over for the rest of the bunch is, as mentioned, complete nonsense.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I wouldn't rule Nibali out just yet, Liquigas might get in a breakaway tomorrow and he could get a few minutes.

Canc likes yellow, and I would expect Radioshack would spot a week in the sun is the best they can hope for, so I expect it to be pretty well controlled.

 

[The Hitch]

What were the odds you said you got?

tenner at 66-1 then i saw they rose to 80-1 so put another fiver on.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

He also over-cooked a corner and practically set his bike down.

Meanwhile Tony rolled to stop, waited for a new bike and got going again, and finished 8 seconds quicker.

Earlier in this thread you'll find lots of people claiming Sagan would beat Tony.


lololololololololol.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

Great time by Dan Martin - looking good for a stage win.

 

[college]

Great result for Radio Shack they need that and so did Spartacus.
It would have been horrible to have Chav as the winner of the prologue. Maybe for tomorrows stage Chavanel can attack early and get caught by the peloton with the red kite in sight. That would be epic and fun to watch.

 

[The Hitch]

Not sure how limiting losses against specialists is a fail. Cadel Evans is a really good TT guy, but the prologue is something else all together.

Evans finished 1s behind Wiggins in the Amsterdam Giro stage 1 tt in 2010.

 

[JA.Tri]

I wouldn't rule Nibali out just yet, Liquigas might get in a breakaway tomorrow and he could get a few minutes.

Concur. I was really impressed by Nibali's prologue...but it is a long way to go. As for limiting the field to 4 GC riders....just a tad (no, more than a tad) early. The four could get wiped out in crashes in the first week and there is no way the other fine riders should be discounted this early anyway.

And what about the inevitable dark horse????

Aside: FB awesome; great negative split by Wiggo, thumbs up Nibali and Denny, solid by Froome and Cadel (pushed too hard early), TJ well done and damn bad luck for Tony.

 

[HiCadence]

Meanwhile Tony rolled to stop, waited for a new bike and got going again, and finished 8 seconds quicker.

Earlier in this thread you'll find lots of people claiming Sagan would beat Tony.


lololololololololol.

People said that? Lol.

 

[Lanark]

Well, we'll see in 3 weeks. I will happily admit I am wrong if someone else wins, hopefully you will agree to do the same.

Is this the first time you watch the Tour? All four of those guys could crash out before the first mountains. It's far, far too early to make any predictions about who can and can't win the Tour. Or do you think that 1 second that Froome got on (for example) Nibali is so significant?

 

[FellOff]

limted to a deficit he could make and pass in 3 weeks

You almost said 'limited' again.

 

[dlwssonic]

Evans finished 1s behind Wiggins in the Amsterdam Giro stage 1 tt in 2010.

Evans had great form and just won the FW and later went on to win on the epic strade bianche stage.
Well for wiggins he was using the Giro as a preparation for the tour.

If you use this example, you might as well compare how both of them fared in the mountains in the 2010 giro.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Evans had great form and just won the FW and later went on to win on the epic strade bianche stage.
Well for wiggins he was using the Giro as a preparation for the tour.

If you use this example, you might as well compare how both of them fared in the mountains in the 2010 giro.

I just don't understand why he was so much better in a preparation race. He's moved backwards since the Dauphine compared to most people racing in both.

Has he mistimed his peak? Or did he just have a below par day, and some people have such a weird approach to being a fan, they can't admit it?

 

[The Hitch]

Evans had great form and just won the FW and later went on to win on the epic strade bianche stage.
Well for wiggins he was using the Giro as a preparation for the tour.

If you use this example, you might as well compare how both of them fared in the mountains in the 2010 giro.

Wiggins went into the Giro with the sole aim of winning stage 1. He took everything else easy but that short prologue was his way of gauging his form and he went all for it.

He was also a lot more of a pursuit rider back then, hoping to get gold in the tp in the olympics, so it suited him far more then.

 

[dlwssonic]

I just don't understand why he was so much better in a preparation race. He's moved backwards since the Dauphine compared to most people racing in both.

Has he mistimed his peak? Or did he just have a below par day, and some people have such a weird approach to being a fan, they can't admit it?

Lol you talk so much crap like how you can't admit that evans did fine. When most people here agree.
And he didn't perform any worse today.
Btw the prologue was more techinical and also shorter.
And you should remember that evans performed very early and had very dry roads.
If you compare him and grivko, their time gaps are exactly the same.

 

[cineteq]

Has he mistimed his peak? Or did he just have a below par day, and some people have such a weird approach to being a fan, they can't admit it?

Yup, I agree Wiggins mistimed his peak.

 

[dlwssonic]

Wiggins went into the Giro with the sole aim of winning stage 1. He took everything else easy but that short prologue was his way of gauging his form and he went all for it.

He was also a lot more of a pursuit rider back then, hoping to get gold in the tp in the olympics, so it suited him far more then.

But he wasn't peaking for the Giro where as evans was. Both their times weren't that spectacular considering bookwalter beat evans and was only 2 seconds back on wiggins. Riders like henderson and vino weren't far back too.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Yawn.

Evans goes backwards against Wiggins, TJVG, Menchov, Chavanel, Boasson Hagen and Millar (who is ill), and you quote Grivko, who held station.

I wouldn't even mention this if it was not for the tedious bilge about the Dauphine that has been talked for the last 3 weeks.

 

[goggalor]

You really can't read much of a prologue, it will be more interesting to see how Evans does tomorrow. Last year he was looking super already on stage one, if he has another mediocre day tomorrow I don't think he'll win the Tour (but I'm not sure how hard the finish is tomorrow). Wiggo was super fast as expected, but team sky were a bit rubbish. Could've been taking it easy though, it's the mountains that matter. Menchov will do a great Tour I hope.