Sergio Henao

[Semper Fidelis]

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The study has been located

oh my goodness.

nice signature. Way better than anything I could have made up. Such a huge event that Yorkshire!

I didn't make it up. First line of one of those articles about that *** Shane Sutton from one of the Brit fishwraps. Not Walsh's article. One of the non-white-washing articles.

Yes, it was here:

On the eve of one of the biggest races of the year, the Tour de Yorkshire, the crisis in British cycling deepened on Thursday night as the former world points race champion Simon Yates was confirmed as having an adverse analytical finding in a drugs test in March through what appeared to be an error in procedure when using a drug for a medical condition on prescription.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/28/british-cycling-ignored-claims-shane-sutton-years-say-staff

I had initially missed it. That is fairly big words to describe the Yorkshire race.

 

[SlickMongoose]

For all its lack of history it gets bigger crowds than most races, and I bet more TV viewers too.

 

[gillan1969]

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The study has been located

oh my goodness.

nice signature. Way better than anything I could have made up. Such a huge event that Yorkshire!

I didn't make it up. First line of one of those articles about that *** Shane Sutton from one of the Brit fishwraps. Not Walsh's article. One of the non-white-washing articles.

the journo has come out in sympathy with Kennaugh's tweet

 

[hrotha]

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For all its lack of history it gets bigger crowds than most races, and I bet more TV viewers too.

It's a fine race, and it'll keep growing. But the quote is hilarious as it betrays their nationalistic bias and, well, their provincialism.

 

[thehog]

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For all its lack of history it gets bigger crowds than most races, and I bet more TV viewers too.

It's a fine race, and it'll keep growing. But the quote is hilarious as it betrays their nationalistic bias and, well, their provincialism.

Yes, for every crappy two-bit provincial race it is mandatory for the commentators or a local rider to say;

"the crowds were almost as big as the Tour de France!"

Exhibit A Richie Porte:

“The crowd is just incredible the Australian public just gets behind this race so much,’’ Porte said.

“It really does feel like the Tour de France going up this climb, it’s an incredible feeling.”

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/tourdownunder/tour-down-under-2016-stage-5-winner-richie-porte-says-simon-gerrans-lead-too-much-to-overcome/news-story/55783a39c2acd7467a60ffb16fd79f40

 

[thehog]

This is it. The cover up story would work if the CADF OOC dates aligned with the agents leak, or Sky's announcement, but they don't and nowhere was a case against Henao opened by UCI. The only case open on Henao was sky's own. They didn't need to withdraw him from racing because they already knew his only out of competition tests in Columbia were in Oct 2013 and Jan 2015 and CADF themselves stated Henao was tested 2 times during the winter. We assume Winter to mean until March when Spring begins? We also know Team Sky and Henao were training at sea level in Mallorca from Jan 19 and Henao was racing then racing in middle east shortly after that. He had already been at ground level, racing and training with Sky for 3 months. If there was an anomaly in his profile in March, it can only relate to the two OOC tests in Columbia, because there were no other in Winter taken. Any anomalies after would only be seen in his passport from after Adriatico.

I don’t know how to help you here, it’s like you refuse to understand. Sky withdrew him NOT because of one test prior to TA, they withdrew him because IF he was tested for the passport at SEALEVEL at TA it was likely to bring about a passport infraction (letter) as a result of his parameters in previous tests. As with any athlete who is trying to game the passport they send him straight back to altitude because any further passport tests are at a lesser sensitivity and his values would reset.

Got it now?

They only reason they made up the BS story about the report was because Henano’s agent said he had “anomalous value”. Otherwise they never would have said anything, they would have just withdrawn him.

I understand what you're saying perfectly clearly, but the level of your assumption to fill the holes in what you're putting forward here are too big for me to believe you.

1. UCI has already given Sky Henao's passport data in question. Because they have done this, his passport is already clear before Adriatico. It can't trigger anything in March 2014 or after March 2014, because the last OOC test on Henao was Jan 2014. Sky know Henao's only data on his passport from Colubmia are those two OOC tests and they already have the results in front of them in March 2014.

2. Henao was back at sea level on 19 Jan Mallorca training camp. Your assumption is Sky never looked at his blood levels alongside his passport at this camp despite being home in Columbia for 4 months, even though it's only a few days since his last OOC test by CADF at home in Columbia at altitude. He didn't have an OOC at this training camp, CADF already state there were only 2 taken on Henao in winter 2014. Essentially Sky have all the data on Henao, UCI has and know this.

3. Henao raced Trofeo Palma, Trofeo Ses Salines, Trofeo Serra de Tramuntana on 9th, 10th & 11th Feb, You're assuming neither Sky looked at his levels or compared with his previous passport data and no anti-doping controls.

4. Henao raced Tour of Oman 18-23 February, You're assuming neither Sky looked at his levels or compared with his previous passport data and no anti-doping controls.

Basically your story assumes, Henao arrived in Mallorca on 19th Jan after being home in Columbia since October 2013 and between 19th Jan and March didn't look at his blood once, his passport data once, let him race blind at 4 races and then finally just before Adriatico looked at his passport and analysed his blood and noticed something? I just don't believe Sky would show such lack of interest in a riders blood in terms of doping him. You're essentially saying from October 2013 to March 2014 - 6 months! Sky hadn't a clue about this riders levels. That's not your actions of a team trying to dope a rider for Adriatico.

Apologies, I only just saw this; if there was ever a case of "thanks for proving my point" this is it....

There is one commonality for all of Heano's training and racing when he returned from Columbia. It was all at altitude. From Majorca to Oman, its altitude. I bolded in your post to prove that point.

Therefore back to my original point; what Sky was most worried about at Adriatico was a passport test at SEA LEVEL which would have tripped the trip wire. So they pulled him and sent him straight back to altitude whereby the passport sensitivity is less and you get a "natural rise" in RBCs, enough to trick the passport.

So, yes, Sky were looking at his values, that's why they pulled him out of the race!

Its a simple case of joining the dots... just run a line through his base in Columbia, training camps and the races he selected = altitude.

When was he pulled out? = at sea level.

Simples.

 

[PeterB]

There is one commonality for all of Heano's training and racing when he returned from Columbia. It was all at altitude. From Majorca to Oman, its altitude.

Ehm... Mallorca and Oman, altitude?

 

[samhocking]

What you talking about - Mallorca is 13m above seal level lol and Oman was a killer for the sprinters with all that high altitude climbing. Sky's found a unique mountain in Alcudía training camp before all of this though at 15m. So suspicious.

 

[Benotti69]

Majorca has two mountainous regions, the Serra de Tramuntana and Serres de Llevant. Each are about 70 km (43 mi) in length and occupy the north-western and eastern parts of the island respectively. The highest peak on Majorca is Puig Major at 1,445 m (4,741 ft) in the Serra de Tramontana.


Oman

The highest point, Jabal Shams (Mountain of the Sun), is around 3,000 metres (around 9,800 feet) high. It is the highest point in Oman and the whole of eastern Arabia. It comprises the central section of the Al Hajar Mountains range, and is located around 150 km (93 mi) from Muscat.


lols

 

[PeterB]

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Majorca has two mountainous regions, the Serra de Tramuntana and Serres de Llevant. Each are about 70 km (43 mi) in length and occupy the north-western and eastern parts of the island respectively. The highest peak on Majorca is Puig Major at 1,445 m (4,741 ft) in the Serra de Tramontana.


Oman

The highest point, Jabal Shams (Mountain of the Sun), is around 3,000 metres (around 9,800 feet) high. It is the highest point in Oman and the whole of eastern Arabia. It comprises the central section of the Al Hajar Mountains range, and is located around 150 km (93 mi) from Muscat.


lols

Benotti, you should perhaps start actually watching some races than just dwelling in the clinic. I did not think this would be needed, but nevertheless, here you go, profiles of races Henao did in Mallorca:

I am too lazy to paste Oman profiles but you should get an impression of the racing there from the winners of the respective stages: 3x Greipel, Kristoff, Sagan. The only climbing stage finished at 1235m elevation. I hope the point of whether Henao raced at sea level at that time is clear now.

 

[Benotti69]

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Majorca has two mountainous regions, the Serra de Tramuntana and Serres de Llevant. Each are about 70 km (43 mi) in length and occupy the north-western and eastern parts of the island respectively. The highest peak on Majorca is Puig Major at 1,445 m (4,741 ft) in the Serra de Tramontana.


Oman

The highest point, Jabal Shams (Mountain of the Sun), is around 3,000 metres (around 9,800 feet) high. It is the highest point in Oman and the whole of eastern Arabia. It comprises the central section of the Al Hajar Mountains range, and is located around 150 km (93 mi) from Muscat.


lols

Benotti, you should perhaps start actually watching some races than just dwelling in the clinic. I did not think this would be needed, but nevertheless, here you go, profiles of races Henao did in Mallorca:

I am too lazy to paste Oman profiles but you should get an impression of the racing there from the winners of the respective stages: 3x Greipel, Kristoff, Sagan. The only climbing stage finished at 1235m elevation. I hope the point of whether Henao raced at sea level at that time is clear now.

So predictable

I knew the parlours didn't go over the mountains i listed and i knew a fanboy would be in too point out the 'bleeding obvious'.

But you forget that Sky riders got up early and walked up the mountains to get their marginal gains before each stage

 

[PeterB]

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Majorca has two mountainous regions, the Serra de Tramuntana and Serres de Llevant. Each are about 70 km (43 mi) in length and occupy the north-western and eastern parts of the island respectively. The highest peak on Majorca is Puig Major at 1,445 m (4,741 ft) in the Serra de Tramontana.


Oman

The highest point, Jabal Shams (Mountain of the Sun), is around 3,000 metres (around 9,800 feet) high. It is the highest point in Oman and the whole of eastern Arabia. It comprises the central section of the Al Hajar Mountains range, and is located around 150 km (93 mi) from Muscat.


lols

Benotti, you should perhaps start actually watching some races than just dwelling in the clinic. I did not think this would be needed, but nevertheless, here you go, profiles of races Henao did in Mallorca:


I am too lazy to paste Oman profiles but you should get an impression of the racing there from the winners of the respective stages: 3x Greipel, Kristoff, Sagan. The only climbing stage finished at 1235m elevation. I hope the point of whether Henao raced at sea level at that time is clear now.

So predictable

I knew the parlours didn't go over the mountains i listed and i knew a fanboy would be in too point out the 'bleeding obvious'.

But you forget that Sky riders got up early and walked up the mountains to get their marginal gains before each stage

Thank you for confirming that hog's point he tried to prove that Henao's training and racing in Mallorca and Oman was "at altitude" was "bleeding obviously" false.

 

[gospina]

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Majorca has two mountainous regions, the Serra de Tramuntana and Serres de Llevant. Each are about 70 km (43 mi) in length and occupy the north-western and eastern parts of the island respectively. The highest peak on Majorca is Puig Major at 1,445 m (4,741 ft) in the Serra de Tramontana.


Oman

The highest point, Jabal Shams (Mountain of the Sun), is around 3,000 metres (around 9,800 feet) high. It is the highest point in Oman and the whole of eastern Arabia. It comprises the central section of the Al Hajar Mountains range, and is located around 150 km (93 mi) from Muscat.


lols

Benotti, you should perhaps start actually watching some races than just dwelling in the clinic. I did not think this would be needed, but nevertheless, here you go, profiles of races Henao did in Mallorca:


I am too lazy to paste Oman profiles but you should get an impression of the racing there from the winners of the respective stages: 3x Greipel, Kristoff, Sagan. The only climbing stage finished at 1235m elevation. I hope the point of whether Henao raced at sea level at that time is clear now.

So predictable

I knew the parlours didn't go over the mountains i listed and i knew a fanboy would be in too point out the 'bleeding obvious'.

But you forget that Sky riders got up early and walked up the mountains to get their marginal gains before each stage

Thank you for confirming that hog's point he tried to prove that Henao's training and racing in Mallorca and Oman was "at altitude" was "bleeding obviously" false.

He is completely correct. 20 meters is "at altitude"...just not "high altitude". All relative (to sea level)

 

[Benotti69]

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Majorca has two mountainous regions, the Serra de Tramuntana and Serres de Llevant. Each are about 70 km (43 mi) in length and occupy the north-western and eastern parts of the island respectively. The highest peak on Majorca is Puig Major at 1,445 m (4,741 ft) in the Serra de Tramontana.


Oman

The highest point, Jabal Shams (Mountain of the Sun), is around 3,000 metres (around 9,800 feet) high. It is the highest point in Oman and the whole of eastern Arabia. It comprises the central section of the Al Hajar Mountains range, and is located around 150 km (93 mi) from Muscat.


lols

Benotti, you should perhaps start actually watching some races than just dwelling in the clinic. I did not think this would be needed, but nevertheless, here you go, profiles of races Henao did in Mallorca:


I am too lazy to paste Oman profiles but you should get an impression of the racing there from the winners of the respective stages: 3x Greipel, Kristoff, Sagan. The only climbing stage finished at 1235m elevation. I hope the point of whether Henao raced at sea level at that time is clear now.

So predictable

I knew the parlours didn't go over the mountains i listed and i knew a fanboy would be in too point out the 'bleeding obvious'.

But you forget that Sky riders got up early and walked up the mountains to get their marginal gains before each stage

Thank you for confirming that hog's point he tried to prove that Henao's training and racing in Mallorca and Oman was "at altitude" was "bleeding obviously" false.

He is completely correct. 20 meters is "at altitude"...just not "high altitude". All relative (to sea level)

In marginal gains terms it works....

 

[thehog]

Oman is "high altitude", in fact they are building a training center there in Jebel Akhdar where the Tour of Oman has a stage finish at.

The HATC project in Oman, which has been in talks since early 2009, aims to fulfill the requirement of an HATC stopover between Europe and Asia.

Speaking about Oman’s potential HATC, Elio Locatelli, director of member services department, International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF), said, “Jebel Akhdar is a unique location in a couple of aspects. First, there is the need for a HATC stopover between Europe and Asia, and Oman could bridge that gap.

In today’s time of globalisation of sports, there is a lot of movement by athletes across the continents for training, and an HATC here is a great idea.”

According to IAAF, the minimum altitude requirement for a centre to qualify for HATC status is 2,438m above sea level, which Jebel Akhdar fulfills. Altitude induces hypoxia, a condition in which the body is deprived of oxygen supply. So the main aim of the centre will be to help athletes improve their endurance and increase blood’s oxygen carrying capacity.

The Ministry of Sports Affairs flew in international experts to Oman in 2011, and conducted a two-day workshop apart from a site visit to Jebel Akhdar. It was then expected that the HATC will be up and running by 2013.

Muscat Daily had then reported on what visiting officials from IAAF thought of the project.

Gregoire Millet, an associate professor of sports sciences at the University of Lausanne, Switzerland and an HATC specialist, also shared his expertise and knowledge during the workshop in 2011. He added that the Jebel Akhdar site offers an exciting prospect.

Talking about the benefits of training at high altitude, Millet explained that the centre will be of help to athletes from a wide range of sporting disciplines, but only with the correct coaching.

http://www.muscatdaily.com/Archive/Oman/Project-to-set-up-high-altitude-training-centre-in-Jebel-Akhdar-gains-ground-3qav

As for Mallorca it reaches 1400m, which is just below the UCI's limit for altitude, (I believe its 1800m).

Nevertheless, I don't think the drugs testers are coming out to the island and if they do, they'll be seen as Sky books out the entire hotel;

The Vanity Hotel Golf sits on the seafront overlooking the bay of Alcudia in Mallorca, just the odd jogger on the beach and sailboat in the shallows animating an otherwise idyllically peaceful view.

There are no guests in these winter months because Team Sky have block-booked the whole place out and effectively taken over, moving their mechanics' trucks into the car park, riders and staff into the rooms and chefs into the kitchens. There's even a blue strip across the glass façade on the street-facing side of the building carrying the words "Team Sky 2016".

http://www.skysports.com/cycling/news/21683/10136179/team-skys-winter-training-camp-a-day-inside-the-british-squad

 

[PeterB]

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He is completely correct. 20 meters is "at altitude"...just not "high altitude". All relative (to sea level)

Agreed. However, in the context of thehog's next sentence:

what Sky was most worried about at Adriatico was a passport test at SEA LEVEL which would have tripped the trip wire. So they pulled him and sent him straight back to altitude

you can see that he used just the term "altitude" to describe "high altitude" in Colombia. So there's little doubt that he likened racing in Mallorca and Oman to high altitude conditions in Colombia; otherwise, all he wrote would not make sense.

 

[PeterB]

Oman is "high altitude", in fact they are building a training center there in Jebel Akhdar where the Tour of Oman has a stage finish at.

And how relevant is this to Henao's stay in Oman in 2014? The training camp does not exist to date.

As for Mallorca it reaches 1400m, which is just below the UCI's limit for altitude, (I believe its 1800m). Nevertheless, I don't think the drugs testers are coming out to the island and if they do, they'll be seen as Sky books out the entire hotel

So now your arguments changed and Mallorca was chosen not because of altitude but because testers would be seen arriving to the hotel?

 

[hrotha]

As for Mallorca it reaches 1400m, which is just below the UCI's limit for altitude, (I believe its 1800m)

And Rohan Dennis rode that ITT at 60 km/h.

 

[gospina]

As for Mallorca it reaches 1400m, which is just below the UCI's limit for altitude, (I believe its 1800m).

Can you give me some reference on this? what if you live higher than that? is that why no training facilities are being built in Colombia?

 

[MatParker117]

As for Mallorca it reaches 1400m, which is just below the UCI's limit for altitude, (I believe its 1800m).

Can you give me some reference on this? what if you live higher than that? is that why no training facilities are being built in Colombia?

Logistics, easier to get to an airport that's a few hours away rather than half a day. Plus much closer to the vast majority of races.

 

[PeterB]

As for Mallorca it reaches 1400m, which is just below the UCI's limit for altitude, (I believe its 1800m).

Can you give me some reference on this? what if you live higher than that? is that why no training facilities are being built in Colombia?

I'm not entirely sure if this is what you are asking about but there is no elevation limit that athletes would be prohibited to exceed when training or anything like that. So whatever they find healthy (e.g. Tinkoff trek to Kilimanjaro...). Training methods taking advantage of high altitude locations include either living and training at high altitude (which could be anything between 1500 - 3000m elevation, or even to 4000m), or living at high altitude (2000 - 3000m) and training at somewhat lower altitude (1200 - 1500m).

 

[thehog]

As for Mallorca it reaches 1400m, which is just below the UCI's limit for altitude, (I believe its 1800m).

Can you give me some reference on this? what if you live higher than that? is that why no training facilities are being built in Colombia?

What I mean the passport reduces the sensitivity on tests that are collected at altitude or shortly after, hence why cyclists like to go up and down from altitude to remove possibility of a passport infraction.

In response, passport analysts use a complicated formula to account for altitude, the athlete’s genetic background, and other environmental factors when parsing passport data. But given the risk of false positives, the analysis is made deliberately insensitive. The current standard is a 1-in1,000 sensitivity, meaning the passport will only result in a false positive in 1 out of 1,000 analyses (over a series of samples, that means the risk of false positive becomes very, very low) but it will also yield many false negatives. A more sensitive analysis—a standard that would yield 1 false positive in 100 tests—would catch more cheaters. Testers may use this standard when deciding which athletes to target with drug tests, but it is the 1-in-1,000 sensitivity that is used to enforce doping bans.

Somewhat. For the passport to trigger a ban, testers like to show a pattern of manipulation. One instance of a high reticulocyte percentage could point to EPO, but also a recent trip to altitude; likewise, a higher-than-normal red blood cell percentage might mean a transfusion or that an athlete is dehydrated. To avoid these problems, athletes are instructed to say whether they’ve recently trained at altitude, and testers are not supposed to collect samples within two hours of a training session or a race

http://www.outsideonline.com/1919201/what-heck-biological-passport-anyway

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Better late than never?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-aiding-sergio-henao-as-biological-passport-date-is-reached/

At the time Team Sky stated that the results from the independent review had been handed to both the UCI and WADA. Last week the latter confirmed that they had received the relevant information.

“Yes, WADA received the information. We receive such information on a regular basis which is reviewed and used as part of our continual efforts to enhance the Athlete Biological Passport,” a spokesperson for WADA told Cyclingnews.

 

[thehog]

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Better late than never?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-aiding-sergio-henao-as-biological-passport-date-is-reached/

At the time Team Sky stated that the results from the independent review had been handed to both the UCI and WADA. Last week the latter confirmed that they had received the relevant information.

“Yes, WADA received the information. We receive such information on a regular basis which is reviewed and used as part of our continual efforts to enhance the Athlete Biological Passport,” a spokesperson for WADA told Cyclingnews.

Begs the question is this "the" independent report from University of Sheffield or some "other" Sky testing?

 

[Catwhoorg]

https://twitter.com/SkyOrla/status/737617441837043713

UCI say 'no basis to proceed further' with investigations into Sergio Henao