Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[tobydawq]

Guys, Alberto Contador said Pogi is one of the best riders in the world. I don't know about you, but I believe him...

Not buying it, he also said Mathieu would podium the Giro.

 

[snipeheem]

I’ve had doubts about Pogacar at over 2,000 metres ….. until today. That answered any lingering doubts. It also validates Red Rick’s theory that ability at altitude is as much about form as it is genetics.

Personally while today was epic, albeit several levels below Pantani Les Deux Alpes, it will be a little empty if he can’t carry this level into the 3rd week of the TdF.

When was the last time anyone led GC in a grand tour after 14 stages by this margin?

I think he will ride conservatively until stage 20 when he can “do his thing” as Geraint Thomas put it. Doing so might also remind any doubters and rival teams of his recovery abilities.

Several levels below Pantani? Really? Im not trolling just curious because i think he was incredible today

 

[Gigs_98]

Several levels below Pantani? Really? Im not trolling just curious because i think he was incredible today

Several levels less epic than Pantani in Les Deux Alpes. That final part is very important.

 

[snipeheem]

Several levels less epic than Pantani in Les Deux Alpes. That final part is very important.

Thanks for clarification i am still learning about cycling history

 

[Peyroteo94]

Several levels below Pantani? Really? Im not trolling just curious because i think he was incredible today

Did you see LPBF stage in the 2020 Tour? Multiply that for 10 and you have an idea how epic that stage was. Only 2006 Landis can come close.

 

[snipeheem]

Did you see LPBF stage in the 2020 Tour? Multiply that for 10 and you have an idea how epic that stage was. Only 2006 Landis can come close.

Yeahh i saw it, crazy moment. Multiple x10 i cant even imagine haha

 

[Red Rick]

Not buying it, he also said Mathieu would podium the Giro.

Ive come around on that and I just want the drugs he was on in that moment.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The queen stage won in a great fashion. Now it's all about avoiding troubles and keeping the lead to the end. A GT and a monument won by the end of May will already make it a successful season with less pressure for the rest of the year.

 

[Barkintheeye]

When was the last time anyone led GC in a grand tour after 14 stages by this margin?

Commentators said 70 years ago...

 

[Cookster15]

Thanks for clarification i am still learning about cycling history

Google it. 1998 Tdf stage 15. 🙂. I am sure you will find it in YouTube.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

When was the last time anyone led GC in a grand tour after 14 stages by this margin?

Commentators said 70 years ago...

OTOH Robo Basso had 9'18'' at the end of Giro 2006, which must be the record in this century. It could be broken by Teddy this year but he should probably save some matches for the Tour instead.

 

[Red Rick]

Commentators said 70 years ago...

That really does not sound plausible to me.

Takes 2 minutes to find Ocana leading TdF 73 by 10 minutes by stage 12

 

[ppanther92]

I was actually one of those that after the 2019 Tour thought Ineos transitioned from Wiggins to Froome to Thomas and for the next years Bernal will win GTs. While obviously no one could foresee Bernal’s accident, I am wuite confident that with the rise of Pogacar and Vingegaard that anyway Bernal would have never matched them. Really crazy to see how far above the rest they are.
Do we have other examples for that? Contador and Schleck obviously also did some stand stills in the mountains before dropping anyone again. But realistically - their margins were never as big. Armstrong and Ullrich? Maybe.

 

[Netserk]

That really does not sound plausible to me

Why not? Usually it's the third week that does the damage. Greatest winning margin in that time frame was 11'26" in 1965 (next in line are 2006 and 1973).

Adorni only led the Giro by 3'16" after stage 15 in 1965.

 

[Salvarani]

Commentators said 70 years ago...

The GOAT

 

[Red Rick]

Why not? Usually it's the third week that does the damage. Greatest winning margin in that time frame was 11'26" in 1965 (next in line are 2006 and 1973).

Cause going back to the mid 1950s is an extremely long time and includes the times of Anquetil, Merckx and Hinault beating up pub riders in the time when they though riding on alcohol was a great idea

 

[ppanther92]

That really does not sound plausible to me.

Takes 2 minutes to find Ocana leading TdF 73 by 10 minutes by stage 12

But tbf - that might be the only example in the last 70years. Hinault was only up 3 minutes after two weeks in 1981 (and then won by 14 minutes).

 

[tobydawq]

Why not? Usually it's the third week that does the damage. Greatest winning margin in that time frame was 11'26" in 1965 (next in line are 2006 and 1973).

Adorni only led the Giro by 3'16" after stage 15 in 1965.

Well, for starters he found a counter-example.

The post was about Grand Tours not specifically the Giro.

 

[Netserk]

Okay, but I'd guess the commentator said for the Giro, and it's true for that.

Back then they had a nice 282 km mountain stage:

(and the next day they had to alter the route as they couldn't descend Stelvio)

 

[Red Rick]

Okay, but I'd guess the commentator said for the Giro, and it's true for that.

That could be true. I found like 3 TdFs fairly quickly but Giros could be true

But a lot of old giros dont have stats I can easily find

 

[Elos Anjos]

Okay, but I'd guess the commentator said for the Giro, and it's true for that.

Back then they had a nice 282 km mountain stage:

(and the next day they had to alter the route as they couldn't descend Stelvio)

There were bicycles in the XVIII century?

 

[Netserk]

Btw, back 70 years ago that 1954 Giro was won in the first week with the OG L'Aquila breakaway. On stage 6 Carlo Clerici went from being +19'39" in GC to lead the race by 13'43" (he took more than half an hour on Koblet that day, and won the Giro by 24'16").

 

[Barkintheeye]

That really does not sound plausible to me.

Takes 2 minutes to find Ocana leading TdF 73 by 10 minutes by stage 12

I guess that the commentators were talking specifically about the Giro so that's what they (probably) referred to. Now if Basso led by +9 minutes obviously they were as wrong as I was answering the broader question.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Cause going back to the mid 1950s is an extremely long time and includes the times of Anquetil, Merckx and Hinault beating up pub riders in the time when they though riding on alcohol was a great idea

Teddy's rivals (aka farmers from various countries) seem to share the same idea nowadays.

 

[tobydawq]

Btw, back 70 years ago that 1954 Giro was won in the first week with the OG L'Aquila breakaway. On stage 6 Carlo Clerici went from being +19'39" in GC to lead the race by 13'43" (he took more than half an hour on Koblet that day, and won the Giro by 24'16").

The Pereiro of the Giro. Sometimes, it confuses me that he had time to win in the Bartali/Coppi era where Fiorenzo Magni also squeezed in three GC wins (okay, I know Bartali was done by 1954 but still).