Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Nick2413]

I don’t think any of the top 3 guys are remotely surprised at each other. Whatever method is being used, they’re all in on it. Unless people think 3 or 4 different new methods suddenly emerged overnight.

Visma didn’t think they have some secret sauce for stage 15 that would dominate Pog, they knew he was doing it too but still had to go as hard as possible to try taking time back.

Maybe they used it to a lesser degree on stage 14, but since stage 15 was obviously going to be massive they all went all in. Only question is if they’ll be synced up on the final few stages as well, perhaps they can’t max it out every stage or don’t want to risk it.

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813174508359938170

View: https://x.com/Tratnikstan/status/1813174508359938170

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard also beat Pantani's record by a big margin (and after a horrible injury in April), hell even Evenepoel beat Pantani's record by over 30 seconds (sure he had some very good climbing performances in the past - 2022 Vuelta, 2023 Catalunya etc. - but I did not expect him to beat Pantani's record). The times on PdB just look so absurd to me.

Also I think Pla d'Adet was already very suspect (suspect even compared to their previous years I mean), and clearly better than Pogacar 2020 Peyresourde (and they already improved year to year since then but had a massive jump this year) but PdB was next level.

I wasn't just talking about Pogacar, even the watts of Evenepoel were ridiculous.

 

[Froome]

The last thing I'll say for the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.

Armstrong was clean, compared with sunday.

 

[pastronef]

Froome even cleaner (and I've argued for years with mental people foaming from their mouths ffs...)

 

[hrotha]

Because he's Quasimodo. He predicted all this

@mou

Yeah but is he like some sort of insider who gets high a lot or just a meme

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Armstrong was clean, compared with sunday.

It was incredible but let's not pretend that your hero was more believable. 3 months after leaving ICU and after 6 weeks of preparations he has his best ever performance and a huuuge leap compared to Saturday: clearly planned by Visma to destroy Pogi, even Jorgenson was suddenly thermonuclear, On top of that 68 seconds don't reflect the difference in performance between the mutants: the difference between them was actually smaller (due to Vingo pacing for 5km and obviously losing more energy plus he cooked himself with an unoptimal pace). Either you consistently believe in miracles and "taking a lot of stuff" by Vingo since his crash or not but don't suddenly change into an anti-doping guy when your hero loses.

 

[ppanther92]

I think only some kind of blood doping or motors could so suddenly improve performances to such a degree. I've always dismissed motors up until now for climbing performances, as blood doping has been sufficient to explain what we've witnessed, but this time it's seriously WTAF.

Not that its technically not possible but what I always think with motors - isn't it the most easiest thing in the world to detect them?

 

[Danskebjerge]

The last thing I'll say for the people that don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry you can't dream big and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.

Lance Armstrong - the great Messiah.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Not that its technically not possible but what I always think with motors - isn't it the most easiest thing in the world to detect them?

Motor doping doesn't make sense on the big scale. Too many loose ends.

 

[repoman]

Froome even cleaner (and I've argued for years with mental people foaming from their mouths ffs...)

Froome is in the realm of plausibility for me, at least in terms of not using super powerful PEDs...he probably used some stuff to cut weight. His watts were never insane, don't think he ever did over 6 w/kg for more than 20 min.
Speeds generally nose dived during the Sky era. Then speeds became insane after Covid.

 

[Rou]

Can we get a petition to ask the admins to remove the ban of @mou? All of his claims turned out to be true while some posters here were chatting cr@p.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Can we get a petition to ask the admins to remove the ban of @mou? All of his claims turned out to be true while some posters here were chatting cr@p.

I don't think he was banned for the claims he was making about Pogacar

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Can we get a petition to ask the admins to remove the ban of @mou? All of his claims turned out to be true while some posters here were chatting cr@p.

The new mod only rewards stupidity

 

[Monoxidator]

Pogacar defenders in here talking about how it’s all due to Pogacar’s superior genetics, but not taking into account all the other cyclists right behind him …

 

[Salvarani]

Can we get a petition to ask the admins to remove the ban of @mou? All of his claims turned out to be true while some posters here were chatting cr@p.

Ban the other posters, only fair.

 

[Nick2413]

It’s crazy how many seasoned fans in the main forum think what we’re seeing is a product of nutrition and training. The general public not understanding what they’re seeing is one thing, but if you’ve followed bike racing for a while and believe this stuff…

 

[Penninepeddler]

So much talk of "incredible naturally low lactate levels"

Talk about "specialised training that has come on leaps and bounds quickly"

Insane 100 rpm+ cadences on climbs

Is this 1999?


Also this made me laugh so *** much from Guimard:

Vingegaard and Pogačar dominate the mountains, as French analysts dispute doping suspicions - ProCyclingUK

Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard continue to leave the peloton in awe with their exceptional performances and relentless progression over the past four years. Their ability to maintain a high cadence and minimise fatigue has led to significant gaps between them and their competitors, sparking...

procyclinguk.com

“Today’s riders, at the same age as in the past, have between 50 and 100 watts more power. Over the last 25 years, the population has grown by about 20 cm.”

Has he got dementia?

Average male height of European men born in:

1978: 177.03 cm
1987: 177.20 cm
1996: 177.22 cm

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Yeah but is he like some sort of insider who gets high a lot or just a meme

I wasn't around when he was active (short period apparently), think I saw one post before he got banned. But stuff that quoted the last days by userrs e.g. suggests that he's an insider who gets high a lot, yes. Forgot where the post are though, otherwise I'd quote one myself for you. Sorry.

I think it was @scribers who posted a lot of them.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

So much talk of "incredible naturally low lactate levels"

Talk about "specialised training that has come on leaps and bounds quickly"

Insane 100 rpm+ cadences on climbs

Is this 1999?


Also this made me laugh so *** much from Guimard:

Vingegaard and Pogačar dominate the mountains, as French analysts dispute doping suspicions - ProCyclingUK

Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard continue to leave the peloton in awe with their exceptional performances and relentless progression over the past four years. Their ability to maintain a high cadence and minimise fatigue has led to significant gaps between them and their competitors, sparking...

procyclinguk.com

“Today’s riders, at the same age as in the past, have between 50 and 100 watts more power. Over the last 25 years, the population has grown by about 20 cm.”

Has he got dementia?

Average male height of European men born in:

1978: 177.03 cm
1987: 177.20 cm
1996: 177.22 cm

Also:
“When 15 riders go faster than Pantani or Armstrong, it’s not a doping issue. We are better trained, better prepared, and we have equipment that is more advanced than 15 or 20 years ago,” Guimard emphasised.

So it can't be doping because we know only ever a few riders use doping. Makes total sense. Like really a lot. So much so that I'd assume he definitely knows he talking ***.

 

[Sciatic]

Also:
“When 15 riders go faster than Pantani or Armstrong, it’s not a doping issue. We are better trained, better prepared, and we have equipment that is more advanced than 15 or 20 years ago,” Guimard emphasised.

So it can't be doping because we know only ever a few riders use doping. Makes total sense. Like really a lot. So much so that I'd assume he definitely knows he talking **

So true!

 

[Nick2413]

“When 15 guys are stronger than Eddie Hall, it’s not a doping issue.”

The logic is so strong it even works for other sports!

 

[ppanther92]

Froome even cleaner (and I've argued for years with mental people foaming from their mouths ffs...)

On the other hand, Froome really is the poster child of "from donkey to race horse". So I am totally convinced he was one of the heavy dopers back then. But it seemed like more the weigh loss stuff was en vogue.

 

[pastronef]

On the other hand, Froome really is the poster child of "from donkey to race horse". So I am totally convinced he was one of the heavy dopers back then. But it seemed like more the weigh loss stuff was en vogue.

OOC cortisone, ventolins, and voilà.

 

[Penninepeddler]

Ahahaha. Pogi in L'Equipe when asked about the time:

"Six years ago, when I started, we focused mainly on starchy foods," Pogacar explained. "For breakfast, we mainly ate pasta, white rice and omelettes. Today, it's more varied, we have porridge, pancakes, omelettes, bread... These little things have made a difference and allowed us not to necessarily eat only pasta in the morning. But everything is weighed, everything is programmed for breakfast, for the stage, for after the stage."

And:

"The bikes are also so fast, the tyres really make a difference, the wheels, the aero frames. The bikes have evolved so much in the last five years."

I mean, #2 is just not very true is it? We know this. Especially in relation to climbs.