Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[pastronef]

And all this on an operation run by Gianetti-Matxin. I think I'll go have a gelato on Tenerife and ask old boy Ricco what he thinks of it all.

he's back at home in Italy. training every day, doing Instagram live for training tips for his followers. he keeps making gelato

 

[Extinction]

I mean they're always gonna be tweaking things. And I do actually believe they also improve some non doping things, like better time trial preparation, no LBL crash, nutrition in relation to not bonking like Loze again.

But to make a quantum leap improvement you really gotta take something you already know that works and just ramp it up to the maximum.

There are tweaking things and TWEAKING things. I mean, you're gonna tell me (whoever this may be) that we improved nutrition, got the race feeding right, didn't crash, worked more on TTing, lost 2 kili and voila', now we have reached "perfection", insofar as this has any meaning until next year. Remember it was the best version of Pogacar, but also the best numbers Vingegaard put up too. Did the crash cause all of the time Vingegaard lost by this year? It was like Tadej had been messing with everyone until this year and then turned on the afterburners and left them all in the dust. Just when they thought they had a chance, he burried them.

 

[Nick2413]

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Jorgenson knows what is happening.

Everyone thinks he’s just applauding Pogacar though. Like how the entire peloton drools over how amazing he is whenever asked in interviews.

 

[Red Rick]

There are tweaking things and TWEAKING things. I mean, you're gonna tell me (whoever this may be) that we improved nutrition, got the race feeding right, didn't crash, worked more on TTing, lost 2 kili and voila', now we have reached "perfection", insofar as this has any meaning until next year. Remember it was the best version of Pogacar, but also the best numbers Vingegaard put up too. Did the crash cause all of the time Vingegaard lost by this year? It was like Tadej had been messing with everyone until this year and then turned on the afterburners and left them all in the dust. Just when they thought they had a chance, he burried them.

The large trend is just dope number go up up and up and that's why Vingegaard does his career best numbers on Plateau de Beille. At the same time I still think he would have done better in the Tour without his Itzulia crash because crashes like that aren't good for your performance.

It should give an idea how much is slight tweaks and how much is just upping the dose.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Everyone thinks he’s just applauding Pogacar though. Like how the entire peloton drools over how amazing he is whenever asked in interviews.

Matteo just got too close to the sun. This expression is becoming more and more popular in the peleton.

 

[Salvarani]

he's back at home in Italy. training every day, doing Instagram live for training tips for his followers. he keeps making gelato

That gelato is probably awesome

 

[Salvarani]

Matteo just got too close to the sun. This expression is becoming more and more popular in the peleton.

Yup, bonked in Montreal

 

[Ilmaestro99]

With everything that happened this year, it's very easy to forget what Visma did in 2023. What they achieved with vingegard and kuss was absurd, they were so much stronger than the top GC riders in the world that they could let their domestique win a grand tour.

The time trial to combloux was at the time the most obviously rocket fueled performance I had ever seen. They took the p*ss out of Pogacar in that tour, and they took the p*ss out of us fans the whole year.

Gianetti, maxtin, Pogacar probably realized that they could go even further with their programe, even more ridiculous than Visma in 2023, and as long as Pogacar is attacking , people will eat it up and not question.

Visma with Roglic/Vingegard and UAE with Pogacar have been playing the same game against each other since the return to racing in 2020, with a nice little preview at the 2019 vuelta. It snowballs each year.


I hope soon that the elastic snaps.

 

[Stablo]

I really don't know. I know it can't be just because of doping.

You can absolutely not know it. You're here only promoting the UAE:s pr narrative of somesort of super metabolism that apperead after he joined the team. And it even got so much better all the sudden this year. If you take 10k pro athletes, there's not going to be one invidual with hugely superior lactate clearance or what ever marginal ganes kind of narrative they're trying to sell, to give us a believable explanation.

 

[MartinGT]

Not so sure about that, in the UK for example the popularity of the sport has been declining for a few years now. Especially in the ametur racing, numbers are worryingly low especially in the youth races, compared to 10 years ago. I know the cost of living has a lot to do with it of course.
Judging by social media comments, people are already getting fed up with his dominance and predictability.

The numbers of racing in the UK has more to do with the cost of it. Road racing has been dying for a while due to cost of policing it and trying to get volunteers for it. We as a club have tried for a while and it's a pain. Even TT's are slowly dying. The levies etc are just mad.

 

[MartinGT]

I was a Pogi fan. He has a personality and seemed chilled and entertaining. The greed this season, nah, too much kid. The mad attacks etc. What he did in the Giro on taking stages he didn't need to, nah leave some for the others.

I don't think he will ever be caught as it would be too much for the sport. But I wont be watching next weekend. Just give him it now.

 

[carolina]

If you take 10k pro athletes, there's not going to be one invidual with hugely superior lactate clearance or what ever

Why not?

If we look at bodybuilding, where they can use all the drugs they want, it's easy to find guys that were vastly superior to the rest. Ronnie Coleman, Phil Heath... they weren't using anything different from everybody else and they were still much better for several years. Even to this day they're considered much better.

Whatever Pogacar/UAE are doing is not that different from Visma. Pogacar just responds better to whatever they are doing.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You can absolutely not know it. You're here only promoting the UAE:s pr narrative of somesort of super metabolism that apperead after he joined the team. And it even got so much better all the sudden this year. If you take 10k pro athletes, there's not going to be one invidual with hugely superior lactate clearance or what ever marginal ganes kind of narrative they're trying to sell, to give us a believable explanation.

I don't think Pogacar has a clear better program than everyone else and you are trying to sell he is getting a free pass to full dope when others aren't allowed too and that explains this gigantic gap.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why not?

If we look at bodybuilding, where they can use all the drugs they want, it's easy to find guys that were vastly superior to the rest. Ronnie Coleman, Phil Heath... they weren't using anything different from everybody else and they were still much better for several years. Even to this day they're considered much better.

Whatever Pogacar/UAE are doing is not that different from Visma. Pogacar just responds better to whatever they are doing.

Spot on. Had to be a portuguese woman to make this wonderful post.

 

[carolina]

Another example: Mitchell Hooper, competes in strongman, another sport where they can dope all they want.

He turned pro in 2022 and is already considered one of the best strongman competitors of all time.

 

[TrekCyclist]

If you take 10k pro athletes, there's not going to be one invidual with hugely superior lactate clearance or what ever marginal ganes kind of narrative they're trying to sell, to give us a believable explanation.

Wasn't Usain Bolt exactely like that? Or Michael Phelbs?

 

[vwpe]

Look at Usain Bolt. All the other 20 fastest 100m runners of his era were all busted at some point. Bolt always skated clean. Like you can't be serious.

Some are just more natural gifted than others. How is that new. Why I didnt win the Tour. Pogacar is the best talent/ natural gifted since Merckx and even above him, the guy won TDF at age 20. Just enjoy the show.

 

[Froome]

Some are just more natural junkies than others. How is that new. Why I didnt win the Tour. Pogacar is the biggest cheater/doper since Armstrong and even above him, the guy won TDF at age 20. Just enjoy the show.

Correction. Now, your statement is right.

 

[vwpe]

Correction. Now, your statement is right.

Every other legend doped too I rode vs some even and people celebrate them too incl some here i assume. I think it comes down to personal preference.

 

[Salvarani]

Some are just more natural gifted than others. How is that new. Why I didnt win the Tour. Pogacar is the best talent/ natural gifted since Merckx and even above him, the guy won TDF at age 20. Just enjoy the show.

True that.

 

[pastronef]

and let's add another Hirschi win. I like him though

 

[Extinction]

Why not?

If we look at bodybuilding, where they can use all the drugs they want, it's easy to find guys that were vastly superior to the rest. Ronnie Coleman, Phil Heath... they weren't using anything different from everybody else and they were still much better for several years. Even to this day they're considered much better.

Whatever Pogacar/UAE are doing is not that different from Visma. Pogacar just responds better to whatever they are doing.

You can't compare bodybuilding to cycling, the bodybuilder wins on a certain horrific unquantifiable aesthetic, the cyclist on quantifiable time/speed. Anyway Arnold looked way better , because afterward it just became too exaggerated. Arnold was a Lysippus statue, Coleman a digitalized Hulk.

In terms of cycling, can we really say Armstrong was more naturally gifted than Ullrich or was he on the best program? Lance didn't pay Ferrari a million to work exclusively with himself for nothing. To me, Jan had superior physiology. This is what makes it impossible to know where Pog really stands in the mother nature department in my opinion.

 

[E_F_]

There have been some posts that unlike other dopers he is at least likable. I believe we saw how likable he is at the end of Flanders 22. In ant case, this is getting ridiculous...

Is there something I'm not remembering? I'm usually pretty tuned out after the last Paterberg, but still...

 

[Red Rick]

Is there something I'm not remembering? I'm usually pretty tuned out after the last Paterberg, but still...

Was screaming in Van Baarle's face for about 15 minutes.

 

[E_F_]

I am trying to indicate that it is possible for a human to be so much better than everybody else in any endeavor.

You're comparing the mind to the body, and while in your case they might be equally complex, as a rule that is not the case.