Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Stablo]

I've never seen Rog DNF like this (it's rare). No idea what happened to him but when I see Evenepoel also quit... I'm thinking these guys got super demoralized super fast.

They know his on a way better program and cant be busted cause of the money and position his in🤷‍♂️. And these two are huge talents, imho quite a bit higher than Poggie boy. Every race I see, makes me also more sure there is some sort of motor involved.
For gods sake, from early spring to late Autumn, two GT's on the way, effortless and fresh, but still dominating like no one before.

 

[E_F_]

Unfortunately I feel I'll be doing this again when watching Il Lombardia.

You'll be watching GdL???

 

[ashhutch1997]

You'll be watching GdL???

Until Pog attacks and gets 2 mins, it's worth watching just because of the scenery.

 

[zlev11]

they cant catch this guy soon enough. at least send him a letter to tone it down.

 

[Extinction]

Pogi did his first ascent of San Luca in 5:32. At the Tour, he and Vingegaard did 5:29. We're in October, six days after a 100-kilometer solo effort to win the World's on a terribly hard parcours, and the weather is terrible. And yet Pogi is only three seconds slower than he was on stage two of a Grand Tour. That's just laughable. We cannot do anything but laugh at this point. This sport is dead to me right now.

And all this on an operation run by Gianetti-Matxin. I think I'll go have a gelato on Tenerife and ask old boy Ricco what he thinks of it all.

 

[Extinction]

This what you get when he is doing and he is physiological better than everybody else. We already have a lot of dopers, probably in a better doping program compared to his rivals (Indurain, LA, Froome, Contador) but the gap was way more leaner for their rivals. This gigantic gap is not explained only by doping, it can't be.
Pogacar was always a huge talent and he became an even better responder

Unless he's ahead of everybody else's game or using a motor.

 

[Froome]

Unless he's ahead of everybody else's game or using a motor.

Motor is out of question in my opinion, otherwise it's something the other teams could use it.

UAE doping program is the explanation.

 

[Casual cyclist]

Unless he's ahead of everybody else's game or by using a motor.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Ricco']

And all this on and operation run by Gianetti-Matxin. I think I'll go have a gelato on Tenerife and ask old boy Ricco what he thinks of it all.

He is not in Tenerife anymore!

 

[Extinction]

I've never seen Rog DNF like this (it's rare). No idea what happened to him but when I see Evenepoel also quit... I'm thinking these guys got super demoralized super fast.

I predicted it. What Pog did at Worlds was give a huge psychological blow to his rivals, a crushing display that will remain in their heads for a very long time to come. I shudder to think what next season will be like. If he remains at this level or, God forbid, raises it, he could win every classics, every stage race, every GT he enters. Oh wait, he pretty much already did that this year. It's the end of cycling financed by that state just everybody loves, UAE.

 

[Extinction]

He is not in Tenerife anymore!

Yeah, I thought he moved back to the Romagna, but it sounded more adventurous.

 

[Stablo]

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You havent read other parts of this forum? Or any other part of socialmedia and internet? It's a complete clown show 🤷‍♂️nothing to do with me. And yes it certainly annoys me and even makes me angry. I have been following cycling since my teens in 90s and this is so much worse than anything I have witnessed. Like someone else said, even the crazy EPO-years was a lot better, cause the field was so much more level, when almost everyone was anyway on the same juice.

 

[Casual cyclist]

Don't worry I am neither emotional nor touchy about it, it was merely an inquiry because I did't knew exactly what this passage was supposed to proof, and therefore guessed you believe it never happened. So I couldn't stop myself from giving a few reasons as to why I think this doesn't make much sense on relatively simple grounds. But simply for intellectual reasons of disagreement, rather than an emotional one. I am interested in your reasoning though, so would be happy to hear what you have to say about it. If it goes to far off topic feel free to PM me.



Well I didn't say without any knowledge, but without full knowledge as to why or how it works, but stable knowledge about what effects it can have. This could be discovered as a side product of an existing substance and someone has a hunch based on say a paper and then goes on trying it out on somebody. I mean normal ethics guidelines as to how to proceed with experiments on humans are suspended when it comes to doping anyways.

But be that as it may: the motor doping would only explain some of the changes in performance we have seen imo, because this new speed thing did not start this season, or last season, but roundabout 2020. So the jump in performance this year might be explained with it. Also the question still remains; if they are using motors (not just Pogacar as the only rider doing so), then how come that Pogacar is so absurdely dominant still? If say Vigegaard and Pogacar both have +50 watts, it even benefits Vingegaard more because he is lighter, or lighter climbers in general for that matter. Yet what we see is Pogacar riding everybody of his *** wheel. Is he the only one using a motor then? Does he use a better motor? Does it even matter when a lot of them are using it, and would it not be more astonishing how dominant he is because his relative win in watts/kg from a motor would be lower than Skeletors or Remcos? That's just a few questions that come immediatly to mind.

So I personally choose to remain riddled by what's going on. Hell, maybe it's even the fume breathing thing plus more nutrition.

By the same logic, we could say: “Heck it may be just the porridge he is eating now.” Indeed, recall the “official” explanation according to which Tuddy, the wonder boy has not just started training right this year (previously having been doing exclusively easy rides), but also just began eating carbs normally while previously having been starving himself on just gels and such. Really maybe it’s just that. How can we prove it is not? But more seriously, if what we are witnessing is just the results of electromagnetic propulsion (in addition to Toddy’s pedal pushing), then how exactly is it organized? Why don’t other teams use it? Or maybe they do to an extent? It is difficult to know all the details unless we can question the circus organizers, and they are willing to truthfully fill us in. Not counting on the latter – and I, frankly, do not hold my breath, – we are going to have to speculate a bit, preferably in an educated fashion.

You are correct that the current wave of “amazing” speeds began around 2020. The first such clearly “nuclear” performance is Taddy’s own TDF 2020 last TT that had Tom D. and Wout watch in disbelief and the former make a comment about Teddy’s “coal miner” non-aero position which surprisingly did not prevent him from beating pure specialists on the flat part. For a more detailed account of that history of suspected motor usage, look up my very first message on this forum. This year the “ante” has been considerably “upped” which is very easy to do with EM propulsion, but not so much with body-directed bio-chemical doping.

But what about others? Why don’t they just go and install the biggest motors in their bikes and merrily charge uphill at 60 km/h? We have already briefly discussed the question of centralization and monopolization and how it affects the way things are done. Apparently, the circus we are reluctantly watching and some folks greatly enjoying is also pretty centralized and, as such, does not reduce to simply a competition between mutually independent teams. There must be an overall script of sorts (think WWE). And, within that script, some riders are allowed to use those bikes with a little “secret” inside, and some (most likely, the vast majority thereof) are not. It is also possible that the “secret” size differs from bike to bike, depending on who seats on it. How exactly this allocation is done, is very hard to tell without kind cooperation on the circus organizers’ part which, again, I do not have high hopes for. The number of people knowing the details of the proceeding is likely kept at a minimum which, in particular, explains the recently observed scene between Tuddy’s mechanic and a race commissaire right after WCRR, with the latter wanting to take the champ’s bike for an inspection and the former refusing to release it.


P.S. Just a couple of lines about that pesky moon expedition issue, hoping the moderators do not mind too much. Specifically, only about the Apollo rocket take-off and the Soviet’s silence. Judging, for example by this amateur video of said take-off shown here

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BZotXmZDIE
, the Apollo 11 rocket takes about 105 seconds (from 3:49 to 5:34) to break the clouds at the height of about 8km while according to the official flight plan it should have been at the height of about 24.5km at this time. This means the rocket is gaining speed roughly 3 times slower than it is supposed to in order to get to LEO. This, in turn, implies, that Saturn 5 Apollo 11 rocket never made it to LEO having ended its journey in Atlantic ocean a few dozen miles off Florida shore. Now what about the Soviets? The answer to that question has been staring everyone in the face for the last three decades and a bit. It is called capitalist Russia and several more equally comic newly formed “independent” states where USSR used to reside. The counterrevolutionary socially regressive process that led to the formation of said states in early 90’s did not happen suddenly. It did not start with the idiot Gorbachev and the so called “perestroika”— that was just its culmination. In a nutshell, the Soviet leaders of Apollo missions’ times weren’t that “Soviet” anymore and were already willing to make deals with the alleged “class enemy”. There is rather good evidence that their silence on the moon hoax issue was a part of one such deal.

 

[Rob5091]

...the recently observed scene between Tuddy’s mechanic and a race commissaire right after WCRR, with the latter wanting to take the champ’s bike for an inspection and the former refusing to release it.

Humm ... tell us more. I'd have to check it out, but is that not the same as refusing to pee in a cup after a race?

 

[GuntherL1]

I don't know whether this was posted earlier, but Jorgenson knows something fishy is going on. His fight with Evenepoel in Paris-Nice was one of the highlights this year for me. A credible duel between two talented riders.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842598102248886342

View: https://x.com/Elias_TVL/status/1842598102248886342

 

[noob]

I don't know whether this was posted earlier, but Jorgenson knows something fishy is going on. His fight with Evenepoel in Paris-Nice was one of the highlights this year for me. A credible duel between two talented riders.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842598102248886342

View: https://x.com/Elias_TVL/status/1842598102248886342

Is that Jorgenson real account?

 

[Salvarani]

Is that Jorgenson real account?

Fake news and tampered with.

He didnt post that comment.

 

[Salvarani]

This what you get when he is doing and he is physiological better than everybody else. We already have a lot of dopers, probably in a better doping program compared to his rivals (Indurain, LA, Froome, Contador) but the gap was way more leaner for their rivals. This gigantic gap is not explained only by doping, it can't be.
Pogacar was always a huge talent and he became an even better responder

Bingo... he is just better... like a lot of cyclists and reowned names in cycling are saying.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Imagine our hero tests positive.

Pogacar: I don't understand this. I have no secrets: just porridge and Z2 rides. Everybody, who trains for 6 hours at modest 5.4 w/kg, can become as good as me. Plus the team always takes care of my health and every week doctors with needles examine me. Mauro says they give me vitamins. Ok, I actually have one secret: I ate 5 kg of Mortadella one evening, it must have been contaminated.

Gianetti: I'm shocked. Tadej is the black sheep of the peleton. He disappointed the team and ruined the clean image of cycling. I couldn't sleep the whole night. Why is it happening in my team again? I don't know if I will ever trust cyclists again, it's a devastating blow. Maybe it's time for retirement in Dubai.

 

[Red Rick]

Imagine our hero tests positive.

Pogacar: I don't understand this. I have no secrets: just porridge and Z2 rides. Everybody, who trains 6 hours at modest 5.4 w/kg, can become as good as me. Plus the team always takes care of my health and every week doctors with needles examine me. Mauro says they give me vitamins. Ok, I actually have one secret: I ate 5 kg of Mortadella one evening, it must have been contaminated.

Gianetti: I'm shocked. Tadej is the black sheep of the peleton. He disappointed the team and ruined the clean image of cycling. I couldn't sleep the whole night. Why is it happening in my team again? I don't know if I will ever trust cyclists again, it's a devastating blow. Maybe it's time for retirement in Dubai.

UCI: "Banning Pogacar would damage the sport, so we won't do it"

 

[Salvarani]

Imagine our hero tests positive.

Pogacar: I don't understand this. I have no secrets: just porridge and Z2 rides. Everybody, who trains 6 hours at modest 5.4 w/kg, can become as good as me. Plus the team always takes care of my health and every week doctors with needles examine me. Mauro says they give me vitamins. Ok, I actually have one secret: I ate 5 kg of Mortadella one evening, it must have been contaminated.

Gianetti: I'm shocked. Tadej is the black sheep of the peleton. He disappointed the team and ruined the clean image of cycling. I couldn't sleep the whole night. Why is it happening in my team again? I don't know if I will ever trust cyclists again, it's a devastating blow. Maybe it's time for retirement in Dubai.

Imagine Niermann though? Vinge will have no chance to escape that guy. He will throw him under the bus.

 

[Salvarani]

UCI: "Banning Pogacar would damage the sport, so we won't do it"

He is just a luck merchant though. Yesterday perfect weather for him and the others DNF.

Others just need more luck.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't know whether this was posted earlier, but Jorgenson knows something fishy is going on. His fight with Evenepoel in Paris-Nice was one of the highlights this year for me. A credible duel between two talented riders.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842598102248886342

View: https://x.com/Elias_TVL/status/1842598102248886342

This is something ugly to do. His leader abused on using TUE's to get ready for the Tour this year and he is trying to mock Vingegaard's biggest rival?

 

[Extinction]

And then there is the fact that Pogacar has been on killer form since Strade Bianche. He's never had a moment of a real drop in level, all through the spring campaign into summer (including Giro-Tour) and fall (Worlds and most likely Lombardia). It literally defies reason, a miracle, but we all know there are no miracles in cycling. Take his "rivals" this year. Vingegaard is out of competition, Evenepoel can't carry his form from July-August. It's just insane. He remains in stellar form, while the others fade. How does he do it, one might well ask? It truly is miraculous. I can see the aureolae radiating from the heads of Gianetti-Maxtin and hear the sweet sounds of angelic music in the perfumed mist.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

I predicted it. What Pog did at Worlds was give a huge psychological blow to his rivals, a crushing display that will remain in their heads for a very long time to come. I shudder to think what next season will be like. If he remains at this level or, God forbid, raises it, he could win every classics, every stage race, every GT he enters. Oh wait, he pretty much already did that this year. It's the end of cycling financed by that state just everybody loves, UAE.

It’s more likely that sooner or later something will break on him, there is no way his body can coupe in the long run with whatever UAE is giving to him. (Unless its a motor but it can break to).