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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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But then again I am wondering what can give you that sort of improvement in just one day?

And if it exists, why not Pogi but just McNulty? Or is it easier to take risk with non-leaders?

The devil in me would say: who said they don't? they are on it all the time and McNulty probably on a lower spectrum. But yeah i understand where you come from.... But it was the same with Landis right? awfull for a day and the other day after some beers dropped everyone from the start.
 
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McNulty is someone who would have been an old-school GC rider in the days where they still had 60k+ ITTs, and you could win by hanging with the climbers and killing them on the time trials.

I know the Clinic freaks out at everything but "Wow, Brandon McNulty is doing well on a climb with steady gradients" is not exactly a rerun of Gewiss-Ballan
 
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That was insane stuff today from Bjerg and then McNulty in particular. Putting minutes into mountain goats on the last 2 climbs. Pogacar has been doing this for a few years so it wasn't a massive surprise that he launched an attack but I didn't expect a war of attrition using just 2 doms.

Vingegaard for me is the most suspicious rider and looks to have even more in reserve if required. Looks like he was told to do just about enough to keep it believable. How a small, frail looking rider can generate such explosive power I'm not quite sure. He has matched anything Pogacar has thrown at him during this entire tour and we still don't even know what is left under the bonnet. Not normal.
 
McNulty is someone who would have been an old-school GC rider in the days where they still had 60k+ ITTs, and you could win by hanging with the climbers and killing them on the time trials.

I know the Clinic freaks out at everything but "Wow, Brandon McNulty is doing well on a climb with steady gradients" is not exactly a rerun of Gewiss-Ballan
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NEW CLIMBING RECORD! Brandon McNulty, Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Vingegaard faster on Col d'Azet than Marco Pantani, Jan Ullrich and Richard Virenque in 1997. #TDF2022

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1549759912900796419
 
The fact we're comparing this performance to whatever Jumbo has done the past 3 weeks/months/years is a pretty clear indicator of thermonuclear fuel.

No, it's an indication of what's probably the most irritating clinic/cycling meme, that literally any time someone does something in a bike race it's suspicious.

Like yeah, Pogacar dropping everyone by 3 minutes to Grand-Bornand is ridiculous. TGH turning into a Giro winner after getting dropped on Cat 2s as a free-reign rider in the Vuelta is ridiculous. Vingegaard coming out of literally nowhere, to some extent is ridiculous.

A talented domestique with good climbing legs killing the field up a Cat 1 is not exactly the kind of thing that makes me call Interpol, is what I'm saying.
 
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No, it's an indication of what's probably the most irritating clinic/cycling meme, that literally any time someone does something in a bike race it's suspicious.

Like yeah, Pogacar dropping everyone by 3 minutes to Grand-Bornand is ridiculous. TGH turning into a Giro winner after getting dropped on Cat 2s as a free-reign rider in the Vuelta is ridiculous. Vingegaard coming out of literally nowhere, to some extent is ridiculous.

A talented domestique with good climbing legs killing the field up a Cat 1 is not exactly the kind of thing that makes me call Interpol, is what I'm saying.

A domestique going on the front at about 30km to go and beating everyone but 2 riders by 1:30 plus is definitely not normal
 
UAE's ride today scream transfusions to me. Hypothetically, if you were to decide when a good time to take a BB would be, yesterday or this morning would surely be the best time. Especially with the stage today, tomorrow, and then the TT coming up. And yes, Jumbo is probably doing the same.
 
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Definitely an eyebrow raising performance today, though if you'd told me 2 years ago McNulty would turn in an elite super domestique performance at the Tour I'd not be that shocked. Always a very talented rider.

The ability to stay for the final climb and lose no time is probably what tips it over the edge for me, I'd have been reasonably comfortable if he'd just buried himself on one single effort.
 
Look, in fairness a lot of my annoyance extends beyond the Clinic which usually has the decency to suspect everyone. It's really just a bit annoying when classics riders can win queen stages, GC teams can suddenly sweep the Classics season, and it gets dismissed as "Oh, that's just WVA", or completely ignored in the case of Ineos inexplicably becoming the best Classics team of the year, but when someone from a "scary" nation like Slovenia does well, or from a team that the English-speaking press isn't friendly with (compare the innuendo with Bahrain last year with IPT and BEX coming alive this Tour - well, Canadians are trustworthy and Matt White is a friend to the entire press corps) does literally anything, out comes the innuendo.
 
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Suit yourself, sir.

But when the staff are known players from the who's who of (blood) doping, the riders smash 90s climbing times and Pog can light up any terrain from February on then probably raising a couple eyebrows is okay, no?

Also sky/ineos has got its fair share of flack around here. Jumbo in more recent years too.

This tour is a total sh1tshow, and obviously this is not only on UAE.
 
Look, in fairness a lot of my annoyance extends beyond the Clinic which usually has the decency to suspect everyone. It's really just a bit annoying when classics riders can win queen stages, GC teams can suddenly sweep the Classics season, and it gets dismissed as "Oh, that's just WVA", or completely ignored in the case of Ineos inexplicably becoming the best Classics team of the year, but when someone from a "scary" nation like Slovenia does well, or from a team that the English-speaking press isn't friendly with (compare the innuendo with Bahrain last year with IPT and BEX coming alive this Tour - well, Canadians are trustworthy and Matt White is a friend to the entire press corps) does literally anything, out comes the innuendo.
van Aert won from a breakaway, where his competitor was Elissonde. Looks to me like the only defence some of the people in this thread have is to throw the cat at Jumbo. Yet Bjerg dropped van Aert and McNulty obliterated Kuss. Who would've bet before this stage this would happen when these 2 doms were nowhere? The only dom Pog had so far was Majka. These 2 guys never showed anything close to this. McNulty just broke a Pantani record and he even paced the most of Peyragudes after, that's ridiculous stuff.

If McNulty was such an insane climber, UAE would've made him a GC contender easily given his good ITT. Yet he was 24 minutes down on Granon when Pog needed the most help and he was weaker than Majka in all the climbing stages.
 
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Like I said, I'm probably overreacting to things I see elsewhere involving hypocrisy involving how "suspicious" teams get treated, especially by the press and quasi-press (read: Twitter guys).


Frankly the most ridiculous thing I saw this Tour was Michael Matthews riding everyone off his wheel and going on a solo, and then winning on Mende, but Greenedge/Matthews getting treated with an ounce of suspicion by the press or Twitter People is about as likely as me winning the Tour next year.
 
Bjerg dropped van Aert and McNulty obliterated Kuss. Who would've bet before this stage this would happen when these 2 doms were nowhere? The only dom Pog had so far was Majka. These 2 guys never showed anything close to this. McNulty just broke a Pantani record and he even paced the most of Peyragudes after, that's ridiculous stuff.

If McNulty was such an insane climber, UAE would've made him a GC contender easily given his good ITT. Yet he was 24 minutes down on Granon when Pog needed the most help and he was weaker than Majka in all the climbing stages.
Exactly. Resurrection and more after the restday. Smells like a bag or two to me.
 
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i think the Clinic does a good job of calling it like we see it. that was a classic thermonuclear ride today out of nowhere and it's been a while since we've had one of those (Padun?). the only pushback is when the British cycling fans since 2012 log on to argue that Geraint Thomas isn't a way more ridiculous version of Jalabert.

Thomas does go under the radar a bit in this tour because JV and Pog are so far ahead of everyone else. And they did at least have a lot of talent as juniors or certainly Pog did anyway. But take them out of it and 36 year old track turned classics riderThomas would be leading the Tour by 3 minutes which is worth thinking about for a minute. That is a supernormal performance in its own right.

Nationality shouldn't come into it but sadly too often it does cloud the judgement of many people.
 
Look, in fairness a lot of my annoyance extends beyond the Clinic which usually has the decency to suspect everyone. It's really just a bit annoying when classics riders can win queen stages, GC teams can suddenly sweep the Classics season, and it gets dismissed as "Oh, that's just WVA", or completely ignored in the case of Ineos inexplicably becoming the best Classics team of the year, but when someone from a "scary" nation like Slovenia does well, or from a team that the English-speaking press isn't friendly with (compare the innuendo with Bahrain last year with IPT and BEX coming alive this Tour - well, Canadians are trustworthy and Matt White is a friend to the entire press corps) does literally anything, out comes the innuendo.
LOL ... Canadians are not any more trustworthy than any other folks :p But we do apologize a lot!
 
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Kuss did it 2 times this tour ? :)


Also records are being smashed by them... (and it seems Vingegaard is not a block at all, if his weakest point, explosive, is enough to keep up with Pog. Pog has met his mutant brother it seems. Only upside for Pog is that he looks healtier
LOL

While vingo is looking ridiculous right now, some folks have seemed to have forgotten that pogo is 2nd and without that one bad day may actually be even with vingo. Pogo also now has three stage wins, has been pretty insane with the watt bombs, and has had a crazy season. I know your post did not get into this, but the pogo fanboys are just about as hilarious as any.

Anyone remember pogo almost looking irritated that he could not just watt bomb van der Poel off his wheel in Flanders? I am actually glad the vingo skeletor is in the race for some competition (regardless of how it ends) otherwise this would be yet another one sided pogo stomp with the official commentators just oooooing and ahhhhing over his ever move and his perfect metabolism (or perfect blood, or whatever it is).
 

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