Team Astana's shameful legacy

[Benotti69]

Taxi is similar to Yates, just driving the car.

'just driving the car', that some euphemism ?

 

[del1962]

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Playing the game, hypocrisy or the words of a clean cyclist?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-says-iglinskiy-positives-have-been-taken-very-badly-by-astana

Slightly disappointed no one has an opinion on my question

 

[sniper]

Playing the game, hypocrisy or the words if a clean cyclist?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-says-iglinskiy-positives-have-been-taken-very-badly-by-astana

i think he knew who Vino was when he signed for him.
does that answer your question?

 

[Dr. Juice]

Playing the game, hypocrisy or the words if a clean cyclist?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-says-iglinskiy-positives-have-been-taken-very-badly-by-astana

He is sicilian. He knows how Omerta works and how to behave accordingly. Open your mouth and you'll get targeted.
But it's good that he plays the game. Dopers must keep the Omerta going. The last thing we need is hypocrisy ( ' look how clean I am, those dopers must be eradicated, I feel cheated ' ).

 

[fmk_RoI]

Vino speaks:

“No one can tell how this even happened. It is a shock for all of us. All the cyclers of the Astana Pro Team must unfailingly follow the ethical requirements and obligations of their contracts. Moreover our team's rules clearly say that doping is prohibited!

"I was extremely disappointed and outraged at the fact that Maxim did not understand the importance of following these rules. The rules are for everyone regardless of their position within the team or nationality.

"The team’s physician had repeatedly made tests of the cyclers’ samples and did not find anything that could have warned us about this. In addition, we work with an independent WADA laboratory in Turin, which in case of violations reports straight to the UCI. But, they too had found no violations.

"Each cycler who signed a contract with the team is obliged to follow the rules that forbid use of banned substances. Everyone has to understand that the use of such substances not only affects one’s own health, but also causes an irreparable damage to the image of the team. I repeat, we have very strict rules within the team. We are one of the few teams that has made (anti-doping) rules part of its internal regulations.

"We want to do what we can to soften the disgrace Iglinskiy brothers have fallen into. That is why the Cycling Federation of Kazakhstan has created a committee to investigate this case. The committee will question Maxim and Valentin. I hope, we will get answers to our questions about how they got the EPO without the doctor and team personnel’s knowledge."

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[BeagRigh]

Vino speaks:

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Thanks, interesting.

I don't for one minute believe the team didn't know but Vino seems to be playing the game well; trying to save the teams reputation but not totally hanging his (former) riders out to dry.

 

[58teeth]

Astana manager to answer questions from UCI president

Brian: What currency did you route to my account? This was my checking account, correct?
Vino: Yes
Brian: Should we use Paypal next time?
Vino: I've had problems with emails in the past!

 

[fmk_RoI]

Mr Faeces, meet Mr Fan.

Strike 3 for Astana as stagiare pops a positive - UCI Licence Commission to do something

"llya Davidenok has returned an Adverse Analytical Finding for anabolic androgenic steroids in a sample collected at the Tour de l’Avenir on 28th August 2014"

 

[the sceptic]

at least Nibali is still cleans.

 

[Netserk]

So UCI announce that the rider has tested positive before the B sample is tested, but didn't announce anything in the case against Menchov.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

It's clear they have an agenda against Astana right now - which I fully support, the sooner this team disappears, the better.

 

[the sceptic]

It appears so.

However I dont agree that this is necessarily a good thing.

The UCIs favourite dopers will continue to dominate the sport without anything happening to them.

 

[hrotha]

Hell no, of course this is a good thing. They shouldn't stop here, but that doesn't mean I'm going to celebrate when obvious dopers from another team get away with it.

Statistically though, it's weird. Very amateurish for a big team like Astana.

 

[BeagRigh]

It appears so.

However I dont agree that this is necessarily a good thing.

The UCIs favourite dopers will continue to dominate the sport without anything happening to them.

Agree. It is interesting that all 3 of the positives are Kazakhs; dirty core of Astana or something more targeted from the UCI?

 

[The Hitch]

It appears so.

However I dont agree that this is necessarily a good thing.

The UCIs favourite dopers will continue to dominate the sport without anything happening to them.

Nibali won the Tour this year.

Any action against Astana while Nibali is a "clean era" TDF champion is absolutely a good thing.

 

[dolophonic]

58 teeth.. ha.. that is exactly the conversation..spot on.

No more duffel bags full of cash ok,strictly wire transfers from now on.

 

[markene2]

Agree. It is interesting that all 3 of the positives are Kazakhs; dirty core of Astana or something more targeted from the UCI?

It's all politics, Someone at Astana ****ed of someone at the top of the UCI. Simple as that. And they pick out a few samples that where positive to use, to small fish and one neither big or small, and all Kazakh, does a good job at tainting them.

 

[BeagRigh]

It's all politics, Someone at Astana ****ed of someone at the top of the UCI. Simple as that. And they pick out a few samples that where positive to use, to small fish and one neither big or small, and all Kazakh, does a good job at tainting them.

Aye, that's what I was alluding too..

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Damnit, Davidenok. I liked him, thought him and Lutsenko would be the next Vino & Kash

 

[fmk_RoI]

The Great Game?

"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's enemy action."
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[the sceptic]

Nibali won the Tour this year.

Any action against Astana while Nibali is a "clean era" TDF champion is absolutely a good thing.

People who believe in the new generation already find Nibali suspicious. Walsh has made hints on twitter that he is not sure. So Nibali going down in flames wouldnt change anything for them. It would just confirm their suspicious that the sport still has some rotten apples, but nevertheless their favourite rider is cleans.

 

[Catwhoorg]

#3Strikes and they should be out.

 

[Hugh Januss]

#3Strikes and they should be out.

Exactly what the UCI wants.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

oh **** off

 

[DirtyWorks]

Strike 3 for Astana as stagiare pops a positive - UCI Licence Commission to do something

Shocker! It's like the UCI doesn't want team Astana around or something.

- No one has still not figured out how it all happened. It is a shock for all of us!

Yes Vino. The 'consulting fees' to the UCI management cleared too.

We also cooperate with WADA independent laboratory in Turin, which is obliged to report the detection of violations of violations of the UCI. But they did not reveal any violations of the riders.

Very interesting if this is real. We know the testing standards vary from lab-to-lab regardless of WADA certification. I'd love to see some documentation from Vino on this point.

The UCI's testing appears to go almost entirely through Saugy's lab in Switzerland.

Does anyone know if Khazakstan falls under Makarov's UCI organization? Maybe they are part of the 'Asia' group? If so, that would make Astana/Kazakhstan a pretty weak player in the UCI.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://vesti.kz/astana/195668/

The closed door meeting with the UCI might lead to some interesting outcomes.

IMO, it's confirmed that Verbruggen's "I can make anyone positive" threat is still quite real.