Well the directors of the teams are not muppets, they can still tell the value of a rider if rides for himself or doms and gets a lower GC placing. You can still see the strength on the TV.Gloin22 said:Can you fault him? The way he rides appears he has no definite contract yet, had injury for 6 months so potential risk to any future team, he needs a good GT place here to get best contract possible. If I was him I'd do the spare minimum.
Like what Froome did in 2011 when he had no definitely contract?Gloin22 said:Can you fault him? The way he rides appears he has no definite contract yet, had injury for 6 months so potential risk to any future team, he needs a good GT place here to get best contract possible. If I was him I'd do the spare minimum.
Think today is quite enough to answer you.HelloDolly said:I don;t need glasses ...Kennaugh was sent up the road as part of the SKY tactics...maybe you Kokoso should know something about tactics. Konig is quite clearly the strongest SKY climbing dom and if he doesn;t pace Froome then that there shows he is not working for his leader
Anyway all on here if Froomeis such a great climber can't he do his own thing ...after all on steep climbs like yesterday and tomorrow a dom is only needed if Froome is dropped and needs pacing
Most riders in the Vuelta do not use trains and if Froome is the rider everyone goes on about it he should be able to it himself for a change
I think Konig would have volunteered to work for Froome only for Froome to tell him not to.PremierAndrew said:I mean if Konig had done anything for Froome, Valverde wouldn't be 2nd on GC right now
I'm not blaming him for not working yesterday or beforehand. But at this point it's pretty clear that the best Konig is capable of is an anonymous top 6, while Froome has a shot at the podium at the very least. When Froome bridged to the Konig group, Konig could have taken initiative and helpedsilvergrenade said:I think Konig would have volunteered to work for Froome only for Froome to tell him not to.PremierAndrew said:I mean if Konig had done anything for Froome, Valverde wouldn't be 2nd on GC right now
I think Froome does that because he has been in Konigs shoes before. He knows how it feels to not know what could have been. Thats why Froome lets Konig do what he wants to.
Also, going forward from now on, Konig will work for Froome I would imagine. Froome has firmly established himself as the strongest in the team; something Wiggins could not do both in the Vuelta 2011 as well the Tour 2012.
Despite being a Froome fan, I think Konig was not at fault. He deserved to know where he stood and he is a great bike rider and he deserved to know too.
Gloin22 said:Can you fault him? The way he rides appears he has no definite contract yet, had injury for 6 months so potential risk to any future team, he needs a good GT place here to get best contract possible. If I was him I'd do the spare minimum.
Fwiw, Froome did have an offer from Lampre before that Vueltawwabbit said:Like what Froome did in 2011 when he had no definitely contract?Gloin22 said:Can you fault him? The way he rides appears he has no definite contract yet, had injury for 6 months so potential risk to any future team, he needs a good GT place here to get best contract possible. If I was him I'd do the spare minimum.
Oh wait...
Still he actually did work for Froome. Somehow you've managed to miss two notes on this).It looks like you have some case of selective blindness.PremierAndrew said:silvergrenade said:PremierAndrew said:I'm not blaming him for not working yesterday or beforehand.
You cannot. These days guys have radios and follow team orders. Sky was very clear that König is their another card for GC, so there you go.HelloDolly said:Gloin22 said:Can you fault him? The way he rides appears he has no definite contract yet, had injury for 6 months so potential risk to any future team, he needs a good GT place here to get best contract possible. If I was him I'd do the spare minimum.
You cannpt fault him?? .... Why did he not drop back ...
First - I was not blaming Kennaugh for riding in front group. Second - you've said König did no work for Froome. You've been proven wrong on this, König actually pulled Froome and that above is your reaction. Jesus...HelloDolly said:I don;t need glasses ...Kennaugh was sent up the road as part of the SKY tactics...maybe you Kokoso should know something about tactics. Konig is quite clearly the strongest SKY climbing dom and if he doesn;t pace Froome then that there shows he is not working for his leader
Anyway all on here if Froomeis such a great climber can't he do his own thing ...after all on steep climbs like yesterday and tomorrow a dom is only needed if Froome is dropped and needs pacing
Most riders in the Vuelta do not use trains and if Froome is the rider everyone goes on about it he should be able to it himself for a change
Swift in a leadout train? God noRicheypen said:Swift, Van Poppel, Viviani
Thats a pretty good sprint train right there!
He did it for Viviani in the desert races.Gloin22 said:Swift in a leadout train? God noRicheypen said:Swift, Van Poppel, Viviani
Thats a pretty good sprint train right there!
Roche wasa very good road captain 2015 Tour...lots on here said he was uselss but they didn't see how he read the race and covered the moves the day of the cross winds and cobble stages, etc. This is a why a good road captain is very important and you only know this when they are not there and things go wrong. Kennaugh has not had alot of GT exerience and Konig while a very good rider has not realy ridden as a dom for a Top team , even at SKYJRanton said:Not great today! :lol: We won't be seeing many (probably none) of these riders in the 2017 Tour team. I'm not sure Kennaugh and Lopez going on that big breakaway a few days ago was a great idea but then again Lopez was the strongest helper today. I think they already showed their relative weakness yesterday given that Moreno and two Movistar riders got in the break. Basically they've gone head to head with Movistar and come up well short. I haven't seen the first few km's of today's stage when the break was established so I don't know really how much you can fault Froome or the team. Froome (or Konig) should have been more attentive but maybe his legs were bad at the start? It was obvious on the final climb that he wasn't on a good day.
A pity there was so many problems with the team's best riders before the race. Even without the Tour domestiques, fresh riders like Roche and Intxausti would have been a big help.