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FGimondi

FGimondi

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Never mind the bloodbags, that's so last decade.

Just get on the old airplane fuel. It'll have you flying in no time.

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blackcat

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BroDeal said:
It is basically like this. Everyone with more than two brain cells can see the blatant Stephen Schumacher-like doping except for the Brits who refuse to believe the obvious, so the thread is one long exercise in fanboys trying to convince people black is white, truth is lie, and war is peace. The truly sad cases have convinced themselves that everyone else is crazy.
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and corollary of The Clinic 12 trying to exorcise the British fanbois of their delusions, and disabuse their muscular christianity chariots of fire marignal myth gains .
 
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There was some evidence all was not well with Wiggin's preparation before the Giro.

To quote Kerrison,

""His training has been going well and his been building his form and his confidence," Kerrison told Cyclingnews in Italy.
"He came into Trentino a little unsure of his form. Not for the training he'd been doing, but because he was a little unwell before hand. He's 100 per cent now and said he never felt that good on a climb."
"It (the saddle sore) affected his training last week but more on his time trial bike than his road bike. He did a good week of training last week, but had to move a few sessions around. He felt pretty bad due to the antibiotics and the infection coming out, but could still perform."

All the signs were there then that Wiggin's was overtrained and run down. Obviously the scientific numbers approach did not spot the blindingly obvious fact that Wiggins constitution is unable to withstand the amount of training he has been doing and sustain a low body fat percentage that is now proving to be unhealthy.
 
airstream

airstream

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BroDeal said:
Excuse #23: Now he was sick _before_ the race. :rolleyes:
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OK, if you are so critical towards anything happening to Wiggins, explain to me how the Tour winner could drop from the pack at 2-3% hill when the peloton was going very slowly if he was healthy?
 
Ripper

Ripper

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airstream said:
OK, if you are so critical towards anything happening to Wiggins, explain to me how the Tour winner could drop from the pack at 2-3% hill when the peloton was going very slowly if he was healthy?
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Do you really need help understanding that Wiggo gave up his interest in the Giro before it really even got underway. Interesting for a "season goal".
 
Cramps

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MaxVO2 said:
Great topic, but 2017 pages??? I can't read it all, so what's the executive summary? Thanks.
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I asked the same question a while back. The most damning thing imo was that Sky hired Geert Leinders as team doc (in 2011?), despite knowing his history as a doping doctor.

That's a damning fact.

But, I think the main thing driving the thread is the frustration at seeing a rider or team dominate the race. I've never really liked Nibali and so now feeling that urge myself.
 
Benotti69

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Cramps said:
I asked the same question a while back. The most damning thing imo was that Sky hired Geert Leinders as team doc (in 2011?), despite knowing his history as a doping doctor.

That's a damning fact.
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Actually Brailsford has stated he was unaware of Leinder's past history and that he left the attention to such trivial details to Peters. They dont call Brailsford the King of Detail for nothing you know.

Cramps said:
But, I think the main thing driving the thread is the frustration at seeing a rider or team dominate the race. I've never really liked Nibali and so now feeling that urge myself.
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I think if you read the thread you would find the frustration of a team declaring that is was going to do it clean while at the same time doing it with complete transparency which they have failed to do so.

The other frustration in the thread is from Skyfans who find it incredible that posters would question the legitimacy of whether a British team would dope to win in a sport like cycling.

But hey nothing like dismissing a thread that questions performances of your team.
 
DirtyWorks

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Cramps said:
I asked the same question a while back. The most damning thing imo was that Sky hired Geert Leinders as team doc (in 2011?), despite knowing his history as a doping doctor.

That's a damning fact.

But, I think the main thing driving the thread is the frustration at seeing a rider or team dominate the race. I've never really liked Nibali and so now feeling that urge myself.
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The main thing driving this thread is ridiculous transformation of a grand tour squad and the replies looking for any excuse possible to disregard Sky's transformation.

My gift to you and the other poster looking for a summary: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1219094&postcount=19119 I edited it a bit. I dropped some boring business-side allegations and added Wiggo's past performances against Armstrong.
 
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Retro Trev said:
There was some evidence all was not well with Wiggin's preparation before the Giro.

To quote Kerrison,

""His training has been going well and his been building his form and his confidence," Kerrison told Cyclingnews in Italy.
"He came into Trentino a little unsure of his form. Not for the training he'd been doing, but because he was a little unwell before hand. He's 100 per cent now and said he never felt that good on a climb."
"It (the saddle sore) affected his training last week but more on his time trial bike than his road bike. He did a good week of training last week, but had to move a few sessions around. He felt pretty bad due to the antibiotics and the infection coming out, but could still perform."

All the signs were there then that Wiggin's was overtrained and run down. Obviously the scientific numbers approach did not spot the blindingly obvious fact that Wiggins constitution is unable to withstand the amount of training he has been doing and sustain a low body fat percentage that is now proving to be unhealthy.
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Wiggins was apparently doing 8 hour training rides in Mallorca in January/February, which was an attempt to play catch up after not training enough in November and December. They tried to cram too much into too little time.
 
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OnTheDrops

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Walsh even accuses his Irish brother Sean Kelly of doping after hearing a rattling noise from his back pocket before a race. If even he is convinced Sky is clean, then I think we have to accept that they likely are. And even if you think there might have been some program in the past, given they fired anyone remotely connected to doping in the offseason, how the hell are they running it now?

Plus they'd have to be doping all year around because the have shown great consistency. Very hard to imagine a team wide organised doping program like that in this day and age. Nobody from the doping era believes it is possible. They say now its individual riders doing things by themselves. Can we believe Froome and Wiggins are moving blood all over the world by themselves? It stretches credulity.

I think they're cleaner than a whistle.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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OnTheDrops said:
Walsh even accuses his Irish brother Sean Kelly of doping after hearing a rattling noise from his back pocket before a race. If even he is convinced Sky is clean, then I think we have to accept that they likely are. And even if you think there might have been some program in the past, given they fired anyone remotely connected to doping in the offseason, how the hell are they running it now?
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Walsh publicly declares doubt for Nibali, who was decisively beaten by Wiggins in 2012. Let's wait and see them race the same race and see what Walsh says then.

Wiggins, who bought property in the autobus up until 2009 and never developed it.
 
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OnTheDrops

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Dear Wiggo said:
The likelihood of a clean Wiggins beating a doped Nibali, every race, every stage: 0.

You must have forgotten your morning coffee or something :p
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I see.

Also, you do know that wiggins was a part time road cyclist before 09?

Never heard of a part time roadie even attempting to do GC at a grand tour before.
 
Cramps

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DirtyWorks said:
-The weight loss is extreme and enormously suspect and totally consistent with known peptide doping protocols.
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Thanks for a summary of over 20,000 posts!

Probably no one doubts something happened to Sky riders at a team level after 2010: Wiggins, Froome, Uran, Henao might show the biggest spikes on CQ for Sky (some like Porte, Thomas don't show the same development)

I'm not sure how diagnostic weight loss is of GW501516. But curious, does anyone have evidence about weight-loss across the team? e.g., Wiggins, Froome, Uran, Henao.
 
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