Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Catwhoorg]

To be fair it was probably SIS doing the design work.

 

[gillan1969]

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Via @DUBCycleWeather, maybe it was posted before but I'm not checking 1800 pages to find out:

Someone didn't get the memo about chocolate... if I had all that stuff on a 4 hour ride I'd get diabetes.

It's not there any more btw - right now they just have the bidon.

So you would. Very droll.

However you don't seriously imagine that even the most innocent would think they had to pack this lot away in the space of four hours - no of course you don't.

It seems a chance was missed to offer this deal as containing items that would suffice for many four hour rides. Whoever designed the box and promotion was not the brightest spark and this is the daft result.

wonder if its like 'Moser's muesli'

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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However you don't seriously imagine that even the most innocent would think they had to pack this lot away in the space of four hours - no of course you don't.

On the contrary. Speaking for myself, I most certainly imagine exactly that.

Turn up at any local 5k race, and there's no shortage of people who believe that in order to successfully complete this grueling twenty to thirty-minute ordeal they need to prepare with the proper energy drink, the proper energy gel (with only the proper carbs-to-protein ratio), have on hand one or two mid-race refueling products, only to be followed up immediately after the race with the proper recovery drink.

This, of course, is after all the time, energy and money spent on acquiring the proper running shoes, that were sold to them with the proper fit advice, along with the proper running socks. Of course of all that was preceded by the proper meal the night before, the proper amount of sleep, and the proper breakfast meal. The more diligent and "serious" participants can even be seen off to the side, pre-race, with their proper yoga mats, doing their proper "injury prevention" routine.

To be clear, I'm not being the least bit facetious. These are factual accounts.

Countless local media outlets—newspaper, television, radio—will run stories on, "How to prepare for a 5K"

All this for a glorified walkathon. You don't think that amongst the masses, plenty of people will see a slickly packaged, all-in-one training-solution-in-a-box, and make a literal interoperation out of what they perceive to be instructions and guidelines for sporting success in terms of product consumption? They will.
And they do.

A four hour ride!?!?

To many people, that's on par with running a marathon. You better believe they will grasp at every opportunity to survive such an ordeal unscathed, lest they end up in the emergency ward.

If people are as dumb as they are when it comes to running, you can bet that after having spent many more times the amount of money on cycling, they will easily gravitate to such nonsense as suggested by that packaging.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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However you don't seriously imagine that even the most innocent would think they had to pack this lot away in the space of four hours - no of course you don't.

On the contrary. Speaking for myself, I most certainly imagine exactly that.

Turn up at any local 5k race, and there's no shortage of people who believe that in order to successfully complete this grueling twenty to thirty-minute ordeal they need to prepare with the proper energy drink, the proper energy gel (with only the proper carbs-to-protein ratio), have on hand one or two mid-race refueling products, only to be followed up immediately after the race with the proper recovery drink.

This, of course, is after all the time, energy and money spent on acquiring the proper running shoes, that were sold to them with the proper fit advice, along with the proper running socks. Of course of all that was preceded by the proper meal the night before, the proper amount of sleep, and the proper breakfast meal. The more diligent and "serious" participants can even be seen off to the side, pre-race, with their proper yoga mats, doing their proper "injury prevention" routine.

To be clear, I'm not being the least bit facetious. These are factual accounts.

Countless local media outlets—newspaper, television, radio—will run stories on, "How to prepare for a 5K"

All this for a glorified walkathon. You don't think that amongst the masses, plenty of people will see a slickly packaged, all-in-one training-solution-in-a-box, and make a literal interoperation out of what they perceive to be instructions and guidelines for sporting success in terms of product consumption? They will.
And they do.

A four hour ride!?!?

To many people, that's on par with running a marathon. You better believe they will grasp at every opportunity to survive such an ordeal unscathed, lest they end up in the emergency ward.

If people are as dumb as they are when it comes to running, you can bet that after having spent many more times the amount of money on cycling, they will easily gravitate to such nonsense as suggested by that packaging.

Three bottles of drink made up from the sachets (despite having only one bidon of water to use) plus five gels and two energy bars in one 4-hour ride is surely beyond most people's capacity and I also give them more credit for common sense. Still, if you think that was intended, or that it would be taken that way by anybody, there's no point taking it further, as you seem very sure. I just think it's a marketing opportunity wasted.

 

[thehog]

Re: Sky

Thank-you independent science for giving us products we don't need.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

To be fair it was probably SIS doing the design work.

Yes, but someone at Sky had to sign it off.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Via @DUBCycleWeather, maybe it was posted before but I'm not checking 1800 pages to find out:

Someone didn't get the memo about chocolate... if I had all that stuff on a 4 hour ride I'd get diabetes.

It's not there any more btw - right now they just have the bidon.

So you would. Very droll.

However you don't seriously imagine that even the most innocent would think they had to pack this lot away in the space of four hours - no of course you don't.

It seems a chance was missed to offer this deal as containing items that would suffice for many four hour rides. Whoever designed the box and promotion was not the brightest spark and this is the daft result.

I'd be struggling to put this much away in a 4 hour road race. I might want more than one bidon though. Just call it a weekend nutrition pack or something.

And yes, I have seen people who would try and tuck this away in 4 hours. Charity rides are full of them

 

[Electress]

Implication seems pretty clear to me - this is what you need for your ride - singular. Having done various charity events and triathlons I can certainly concur with those who have seen all bar the proverbial kitchen sink being carried about 'incase of emergencies'

Frankly, I'd rather spend my 14.99 on a jar of nutella and a cup of coffee with my amigos, but we all know what Sky think about such dangerously subversive non-nutritional practices.

So who'll be the first to doctor said image with a list of banned substances ??
I can see it now:
Motoman Team Sky 4 Hour 'Fuel' pack..available off prescription from a dodgy doctor in Monaco ? Now there's the real cutting edge science in sport, I fear.

I await with baited breath the Limited Edition Team Sky / SiS Exclusive Eqyptian Cotton and memory foam pillows.

 

[Archibald]

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Implication seems pretty clear to me - this is what you need for your ride - singular. Having done various charity events and triathlons I can certainly concur with those who have seen all bar the proverbial kitchen sink being carried about 'incase of emergencies'

Frankly, I'd rather spend my 14.99 on a jar of nutella and a cup of coffee with my amigos, but we all know what Sky think about such dangerously subversive non-nutritional practices.

So who'll be the first to doctor said image with a list of banned substances ??
I can see it now:
Motoman Team Sky 4 Hour 'Fuel' pack..available off prescription from a dodgy doctor in Monaco ? Now there's the real cutting edge science in sport, I fear.

I await with baited breath the Limited Edition Team Sky / SiS Exclusive Eqyptian Cotton and memory foam pillows.

naah, they'll be thrown in free with your brand new 'Sky' Winebago in matt black with sky blue side stripes

 

[42x16ss]

Re:

Implication seems pretty clear to me - this is what you need for your ride - singular. Having done various charity events and triathlons I can certainly concur with those who have seen all bar the proverbial kitchen sink being carried about 'incase of emergencies'

Frankly, I'd rather spend my 14.99 on a jar of nutella and a cup of coffee with my amigos, but we all know what Sky think about such dangerously subversive non-nutritional practices.

So who'll be the first to doctor said image with a list of banned substances ??
I can see it now:
Motoman Team Sky 4 Hour 'Fuel' pack..available off prescription from a dodgy doctor in Monaco ? Now there's the real cutting edge science in sport, I fear.

I await with baited breath the Limited Edition Team Sky / SiS Exclusive Eqyptian Cotton and memory foam pillows.

 

[staubsauger]

Aicar ain't been detectable back in 2011 as far as I remember? So he could just have followed on his 6 weeks Aicar treatment during the Vuelta, couldn't he!?

 

[red_flanders]

The idea that one can make any kind of determination about a person's weight from 2 or more photos is misguided. If you understand photography fairly well, you understand that angle of light, position of subject, lens distortion and post-processing (or lack thereof) can and do have dramatic effect on the apparent weight of subjects.

Looking at 2 photos taken at different times by different photographers with almost certainly different equipment with almost certainly differing levels of post-processing and comparing them offers absolutely no concrete information about the relative weight of a subject. No matter how much you think you see "baby fat" in a subject, it is quite likely a difference in the photography. Especially for photos of someone a few weeks apart.

The clinic lore that seems to be taking hold is that Froome underwent some massive weight transformation in a few weeks and even during the Vuelta. There is absolutely no convincing evidence of this. The photography tells you nothing, no matter how much you think you see a fatter version in one photo over another. He could be fatter, it could be any number of different photographic factors.

For example: http://thehautegirl.com/2014/05/14/4-big-reasons-you-look-fat-in-photographs/

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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The idea that one can make any kind of determination about a person's weight from 2 or more photos is misguided.

On one hand, I agree wholeheartedly. But I don't need any references to be convinced. I have photos of myself where clearly I look leaner or more muscular than I know myself to be. It happens. For sure.

However, what to make of this? This can NOT just be the result of lighting and/or lens choice. Can it?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

His shoulders are turned in 2016. I see no meaningful difference between 2015 & 2016.

 

[simoni]

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His shoulders are turned in 2016. I see no meaningful difference between 2015 & 2016.

To say nothing of the complete difference in jersey colour!

 

[Catwhoorg]

How does look slimmer in 2015/2016, than in 2013, but I agree there isn't much if any discernible difference between 2015 and 2016

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Via @DUBCycleWeather, maybe it was posted before but I'm not checking 1800 pages to find out:

Someone didn't get the memo about chocolate... if I had all that stuff on a 4 hour ride I'd get diabetes.

It's not there any more btw - right now they just have the bidon.

I'm not sure I really get the uproar over this.

No, I wouldn't take that much stuff on a four hour ride generally, even a very hard one and I much prefer coffee and cake. I probably wouldn't even take it on a 6 hour ride, but essentially it seems to boil down to 5 gels, a couple of bidons, two bars and a shake. If someone is riding a Sportive, 150+ km with 2000+ m climbing and trying to push themselves then they could easily get through that lot.

 

[bobbins]

Everyone knows that these days you don't need to train. Just fill yourself with gels, bars and other stuff and you'l be OK. It's the team sky way.

 

[fmk_RoI]

If vampire worms could work for Froome, imagine what Nico Roche would be like with spider powers...

 

[Benotti69]

Roche should stop using dirty works*






*works = slang for syringe.

 

[robin440]

Is it forbidden for sky riders to upload their wattage to strava? I ve never seen strava files with power from sky riders. And kwiatkowski did it for pretty much every ride but since the first day of the sky training camp in december he stopped doing it. And i don't think that his new bike doesn't have a powermeter on.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I think they are "strongly advised" not to.

Messes-up their relationship with training Peaks

There are some gems there though
http://home.trainingpeaks.com/athlete/workout/Z3JDD63H2UVGP77YSXNITPULAE

 

[Irondan]

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Roche should stop using dirty works*






*works = slang for syringe.

Ironically enough, 'kit' is slang for syringe too...

 

[rhubroma]

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Implication seems pretty clear to me - this is what you need for your ride - singular. Having done various charity events and triathlons I can certainly concur with those who have seen all bar the proverbial kitchen sink being carried about 'incase of emergencies'

Frankly, I'd rather spend my 14.99 on a jar of nutella and a cup of coffee with my amigos, but we all know what Sky think about such dangerously subversive non-nutritional practices.

So who'll be the first to doctor said image with a list of banned substances ??
I can see it now:
Motoman Team Sky 4 Hour 'Fuel' pack..available off prescription from a dodgy doctor in Monaco ? Now there's the real cutting edge science in sport, I fear.

I await with baited breath the Limited Edition Team Sky / SiS Exclusive Eqyptian Cotton and memory foam pillows.

It's all nonesense. Talent and only doping can make the difference. Why I rode a very demanding Granfondo in the Marche region of Italy in June 2013, having the night before drank white wine and a grappa at dinner (the next morning for breakfast I had a cappuccino and corneto) and finished 13th out of 4,000.

 

[vedrafjord]

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I'm not sure I really get the uproar over this.

No, I wouldn't take that much stuff on a four hour ride generally, even a very hard one and I much prefer coffee and cake. I probably wouldn't even take it on a 6 hour ride, but essentially it seems to boil down to 5 gels, a couple of bidons, two bars and a shake. If someone is riding a Sportive, 150+ km with 2000+ m climbing and trying to push themselves then they could easily get through that lot.

I posted it originally and didn't intend any uproar - just thought it was humourous that Sky's science/marginal gains image is being used to sell what's essentially very expensive sugar to (I'm guessing) affluent middle-aged men.