Tennis

[bewildered]

I didn't think Serena was in good shape for the AO15 but her 1st serve was as good as ever and that was the difference in the final, hitting 13 more aces and winning 12 more points than Sharapova. For once Sharapova had a game plan of hitting drop-shots which worked well at times but her serve is too weak to beat Serena.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/serves-are-booming-in-womens-tennis-1422291662

 

[del1962]

That's true, they were available in the early 80's but Mac's skinny little skeletal body didn't show it. And the kid didn't practice enough to need recuperative anti-inflamatories. He was simply blessed with skills you can't create with drugs and had a total disdain for practice, he used his doubles play as practice.

The reason I think about steroids and Mac is that his ex-wife accused him of such and his bizairre statement that he took them unwittingly which he then claimed it was a misunderstanding.

I don't think technically he was as good as Federer has been throughout his career and perhaps only on a level with say Murray who can play a sublime lob to wrong foot his opponents.

 

[blackcat]

The reason I think about steroids and Mac is that his ex-wife accused him of such and his bizairre statement that he took them unwittingly which he then claimed it was a misunderstanding.

I don't think technically he was as good as Federer has been throughout his career and perhaps only on a level with say Murray who can play a sublime lob to wrong foot his opponents.

most conflate steroids = muscle and = size.

steroids dont merely have to create muscles that one may discern with their eyes.

Alot of middle distance to long distance olympic athletes will also be on testo and steroids for speed, power, recovery, but they cant get wet underneath a shower.

size =/= axiomatic steroids
lack of size =/= axiomatic no steroids.


need to baseline the natural physiology. You can take roids and still be built like Ivan Basso.

 

[70kmph]

Interesting insider testimonial from a player who saying 20% of the top 100 are on the gear...also Nadal took a year off when he was younger to build muscle

http://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/2jw3qe/c_roelant_ama_60_itf_atp_player/

 

[blackcat]

Interesting insider testimonial from a player who saying 20% of the top 100 are on the gear...also Nadal took a year off when he was younger to build muscle

http://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/2jw3qe/c_roelant_ama_60_itf_atp_player/

reckon it is more than 20%


30- 40% minimum.

 

[sniper]

30- 40% minimum.

you kiddin?
beer's on me if anyone from the top 100 turns out to be clean.

that linked thread is full of head-in-the-sand comments about 'thorough testing' in tennis.
those guys could use some Clinic schooling.

 

[70kmph]

Cillic who had just returned from his doping ban went and won the US Open but nobody even raised a red flag...there is the atmosphere of tennis, it cant be mentioned they wont accept

 

[blackcat]

you kiddin?
beer's on me if anyone from the top 100 turns out to be clean.

that linked thread is full of head-in-the-sand comments about 'thorough testing' in tennis.
those guys could use some Clinic schooling.

yeah yeah yeah,

i was a little sympathetic to the tennis empire crew.

I dont think many are clean neither.

 

[blackcat]

Cillic who had just returned from his doping ban went and won the US Open but nobody even raised a red flag...there is the atmosphere of tennis, it cant be mentioned they wont accept

lots of weak willed horners.


funny, is not horner on a zero. his passport must have been when he was having 7 months off. I cant even remember where Chris went to after Saunier, and before RadioShack. And Horner, like Ricco, is one of my favourite riders. I know he has always doped.

oh, he went to Lotto, or Davitamon Lotto. Then where did he go? cant remember.

But even tho he went back to US domestic, Horner still has the best manager in the business. Cookie is the boss.

 

[sniper]

yeah yeah yeah,

i was a little sympathetic to the tennis empire crew.

I dont think many are clean neither.

imo in this day and age doping is simply part of being 'professional'.
with the low testing risk and the huge amounts of money involved (not just for the tennis player but for his entire entourage), would you think twice when the doc gives you that 'vitamine' shot?
i think for most it's either dope or stack shelves at Tesco.

 

[70kmph]

Horner...chasing down George H on his victory lap in Paris lol

 

[zebedee]

Nadal bulked up and jumped straight into the seniors, hardly bothering with the ITF circuit. He never made it higher than 145 in the junior world rankings.

http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player/profile.aspx?PlayerID=100007935

The significance of Roelant's comments about Nadal's physique being "100% ped" and his view that 20% of the pro circuit overall is on the juice, demonstrates the extent to which doping is accepted as part and parcel of the pro tour. It's routine, mundane, prosaic.

It will be interesting to see over the coming months whether Murray decides to use chemical assistance (or change his programme) to bridge the gap between himself and his rival Djokovic who has to be as near a certainty as those arch dopers, Nadal and Ferrer. Whatever he's on at the moment isn't working. His collapse against Djokovic was spectacular, a glorified tank almost. I think he was just fed up, wanted out of there once he realised that it was basically impossible to beat a fully-juiced Djokovic who was playing rope-a-dope with him.

 

[blackcat]

Nadal bulked up and jumped straight into the seniors, hardly bothering with the ITF circuit. He never made it higher than 145 in the junior world rankings.

http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player/profile.aspx?PlayerID=100007935

The significance of Roelant's comments about Nadal's physique being "100% ped" and his view that 20% of the pro circuit overall is on the juice, demonstrates the extent to which doping is accepted as part and parcel of the pro tour. It's routine, mundane, prosaic.

It will be interesting to see over the coming months whether Murray decides to use chemical assistance (or change his programme) to bridge the gap between himself and his rival Djokovic who has to be as near a certainty as those arch dopers, Nadal and Ferrer. Whatever he's on at the moment isn't working. His collapse against Djokovic was spectacular, a glorified tank almost. I think he was just fed up, wanted out of there once he realised that it was basically impossible to beat a fully-juiced Djokovic who was playing rope-a-dope with him.

but I think it was Gasquet who was the youngest at the time ever in the top100. He is about 11months older than Nadal.

And Chang won the French at his first try at about 19. might have been 18. Becker was 18 or 17 when he won Wimbledon in the mid 80s. Hewitt was a phenom at 17 too. Beat Agassi.

On the other side, an Australian was a number one world jnr in about 2000. Todd Reid. But about 5'10" about 70kg. Cyclist weight. Went nowhere.

Similar to the story of Donald Young the American. Even on dope, those two might have been too small to be Michael Chang this era. Tho, Agassi, even with Gil Reyes, what was he, 5'11" 165 lbs? But he had not probs with a 200km first serve.

 

[robow7]

It will be interesting to see in the future if there will be teenage men that have an impact on the ATP. Will the days of the Borg, Becker, Chang, Sampras, Nadal winning majors before 20 be over with today's brutal game?

 

[blackcat]

It will be interesting to see in the future if there will be teenage men that have an impact on the ATP. Will the days of the Chang, Becker, Sampras, Nadal winning majors before 20 be over with today's brutal game?

have to start doping and be full time at 14, and be an adult at 15

be impossible to develop a native game based on one's inimitable traits and characteristics. impossible actually.

the only chance would be if you take 1000 athletes at 14, and then have a survivor fallacy, when you unearth the 1 in that 1000 who have the Djoker Nadal Federer or Murray native talent. And dope them thru the nose at 14.

yes possible.

but the parameters I put forward in this hypothetical? IIIIMMMMMPPPOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIIBBLLEE

 

[peloton]

but I think it was Gasquet who was the youngest at the time ever in the top100. He is about 11months older than Nadal.

Dope aside, you can see their different game style, early on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKuv4j67aw

 

[blackcat]

Dope aside, you can see their different game style, early on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKuv4j67aw

so he was just built normally, before they got him on the roids as a 15yo.

uncle Toni should be up for child abuse.

now, individuals can develop at different arcs, and we are not to know their respective work ethics. But jesus christ, dope has just created a completely different sport.

I would like to see a clean Gasquet play a clean Federer at 17, then at 18, then a rematch at 19 then a rematch at 20, then at 21. What Fed has about 5 years on him? 6 years? But for the purposes of the thought experiment, give me them at the same age to play each other.

I dont think Federer was helped as much as Nadal, or Djokovic, or Murray, but pretty sure he has a decent program.

thnx for the link peloton

farking uncle Toni. The Fuentes and Ferrari of tennis

 

[SundayRider]

have to start doping and be full time at 14, and be an adult at 15

be impossible to develop a native game based on one's inimitable traits and characteristics. impossible actually.

the only chance would be if you take 1000 athletes at 14, and then have a survivor fallacy, when you unearth the 1 in that 1000 who have the Djoker Nadal Federer or Murray native talent.

Nadal doesn't belong with the other three when discussing raw 'talent'. Have you seen his technique. When he is off a little physically he gets beaten by some very average players.

 

[blackcat]

Dope aside, you can see their different game style, early on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKuv4j67aw

Nadal doesn't belong with the other three when discussing raw 'talent'. Have you seen his technique. When he is off a little physically he gets beaten by some very average players.

well, Nadal was not stuffing opponents around with time delays and bathroom breaks or waiting to serve when he was 13.

 

[sniper]

well, Nadal was not stuffing opponents around with time delays and bathroom breaks or waiting to serve when he was 13.

lol, indeed.
not even bouncing the ball before serving, not scratching his ****, not messing with his hair.
makes you wonder when/why/how he turned into this unbearably annoying and aggressive player, and whether doping plays any role in provoking **** itches.

 

[sniper]

nothing to see here.

 

[sniper]

starting to look more and more like mike tyson

 

[Andynonomous]

I do have to give "Men's Tennis Forums" some credit.

They have been allowing threads and comments that were not allowed a year ago. Examples :

Sergio Giorgi: ''Doping in tennis exists. Controls are worthless''

If one of your favorite players got caught doping, how would you react?

2014 Tennis Anti-Doping Programme tests by player & testing summary

Doping in Tennis: Fan's Impressions



None of this would have happened without Armstrong's admission. People have become more cynical of athlete's performances in all sports, and the desire of the sports authorities to stop the cheats.

 

[blackcat]

nothing to see here.

snipey, we need to emphasise, this pic is of a GDR FEMALE shotputter

Andreas Heidi Krieger Bradly Chelsea Manning is his her full name

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=h...XNmwWSooKQAQ&ved=0CBwQvQ4oAw&biw=1920&bih=979

 

[blackcat]

starting to look more and more like mike tyson

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