The Gianni Moscon Bandwagon Jumping Thread

[SafeBet]

Moscon chose Sky for the money.
He's a product of a racist and ignorant country, nothing else.

 

[rick james]

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Again, I'll go to the Sutton incident. Thomas had a more balanced approach than Wiggins or the dear leader, but even he stressed the importance of Sutton making him win, and elevating over what he had done: he made general statements about inequality etc, and personal statements about the success of Sutton. Sky is perhaps not an atmosphere which fosters bullying (although if you look at the very top, you do have someone who has been accused of creating a "culture of fear" at British Cycling, and someone who is in general a most unpleasant person), but certainly Ines which turns a blind eye to it if the results are good. British Cycling and Team Sky are different things, but only just, so I think using BC as examples is fair.

Much, if not all, of the blame for this, in my eyes, has to go to Brailsford. The sooner he is gone, the better it is for Sky, and all of cycling. Perhaps lying in front of parliament could be his downfall.

has Moscon even spoke to Sutton in his life?

 

[Brullnux]

?? How is that in anyway relevant to what I wrote? There was so much bs that I wrote that you could have easily picked up on and you flew so incredibly wide of the mark. I was using the whole Sutton debacle as an example of British cycling/team sky atmosphere, not as directly linked with Moscon.

 

[RedheadDane]

What Sutton incident?

 

[del1962]

5 week ban, can ride for Italy at worlds

 

[Valanga]

So they had to make it 5 weeks now instead of 6 like last time... to make it fit the planning. That'll teach him!

 

[King Boonen]

Anyone know what his programme was meant to be after the Tour?

 

[liamito]

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Anyone know what his programme was meant to be after the Tour?

Vuelta

 

[King Boonen]

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Thanks, at least he's missing racing he was supposed to be in, although personally I wouldn't have suspended him this time.

5 week ban, can ride for Italy at worlds

I guess he could have ridden for Italy even if the suspension was longer? I would think Sky can only suspend him from riding for them?

 

[glassmoon]

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Thanks, at least he's missing racing he was supposed to be in, although personally I wouldn't have suspended him this time.

5 week ban, can ride for Italy at worlds

I guess he could have ridden for Italy even if the suspension was longer? I would think Sky can only suspend him from riding for them?

They could confiscate his team bikes

 

[oldcrank]

Maybe Gianni's parents could use some
help around the farm at this time of year.

 

[rick james]

Shocking that he’s had a ban, it was a nothing incident and he shouldn’t be found guilty just because he rides for sky....look forward to many bans in the peloton from now on

 

[oldcrank]

Really looking forward to Il Lombardia now to
see if Gianni can improve on his 3rd in 2017.
A victory there would be extremely beautiful!

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

Thanks, at least he's missing racing he was supposed to be in, although personally I wouldn't have suspended him this time.

5 week ban, can ride for Italy at worlds

I guess he could have ridden for Italy even if the suspension was longer? I would think Sky can only suspend him from riding for them?

The suspension is from UCI this time not like the fake one of last year.

 

[Tonton]

Had this been Bouhani, the lynch mob would ask for his head. Thug cliches, et caetera. Moscon is a very talented young rider and gets a lot of slack. Too much IMO. It's not the first, second, or third time that he's involved in controversy. At some point, the benefit of the doubt amounts to burrying our heads in the sand. IMO, Moscon should have got three months, season over, which would give him time to reflect and maybe get treatment: he can't manage anger, it seems. Moscon needs to hit the reset button. And it takes time.

 

[wouterkaas]

Although I do agree that a ban is absolutely in place for him, I also get the feeling people are overreacting to all of this.

 

[Kazistuta]

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Shocking that he’s had a ban, it was a nothing incident and he shouldn’t be found guilty just because he rides for sky....look forward to many bans in the peloton from now on

Biased much?

You do know both Lars Boom and Andriy Grivko received similar punishments?

The punishment has nothing to do with Sky, at most Moscons own track record.

 

[Breh]

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Although I do agree that a ban is absolutely in place for him, I also get the feeling people are overreacting to all of this.

He's been banned for racism and cheating last year.

He doesn't deserve any credit at all.

 

[RedheadDane]

Had this been Bouhani, the lynch mob would ask for his head. Thug cliches, et caetera. Moscon is a very talented young rider and gets a lot of slack. Too much IMO. It's not the first, second, or third time that he's involved in controversy. At some point, the benefit of the doubt amounts to burrying our heads in the sand. IMO, Moscon should have got three months, season over, which would give him time to reflect and maybe get treatment: he can't manage anger, it seems. Moscon needs to hit the reset button. And it takes time.

Seems like there's a fairly big lynch mob asking for Moscon's head.
But yeah, definitely needs more time than five weeks to figure out what the hell his issue is.

 

[Tonton]

Had this been Bouhani, the lynch mob would ask for his head. Thug cliches, et caetera. Moscon is a very talented young rider and gets a lot of slack. Too much IMO. It's not the first, second, or third time that he's involved in controversy. At some point, the benefit of the doubt amounts to burrying our heads in the sand. IMO, Moscon should have got three months, season over, which would give him time to reflect and maybe get treatment: he can't manage anger, it seems. Moscon needs to hit the reset button. And it takes time.

Seems like there's a fairly big lynch mob asking for Moscon's head.
But yeah, definitely needs more time than five weeks to figure out what the hell his issue is.

If Moscon has, as it seems, anger management issues, how will he react when someone takes "his" parking spot? When his wife argues with him? As much as I dislike the guy, I wish him to turn it around. Because it's a dangerous path IMO. Beyond cycling. One can't live his life with violence as an answer to adversity.

 

[OldCranky]

He needs to put some work in with a psychologist because there's a clear pattern of him acting before thinking and in a sport with the risks that professional cycling involves, that's not a good thing.

This quote from him is particularly worrying:

“I reacted in the heat of the moment and it was never my intention to hit the rider."

because it shows a complete failure to take any kind of meaningful responsibility for his actions. It's abundantly clear to anybody who watches the footage that he did in fact intend to hit the rider.

Brailsford said:

“We accept the UCI’s decision to suspend Gianni for a five-week period,” Brailsford said. “This incident obviously happened during one of the most challenging races the team has ever faced. We are confident that Gianni truly regrets his actions and has learnt from this episode."

I'd love to know where this confidence comes from because it can't be from the way Moscon sorted himself out after the last controversy he was involved in. Or the one before that. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see the lad hounded out of the sport or anything but I also don't particularly want to see someone who can't control himself riding with a bunch of cyclists who can, despite every one of them facing exactly the same pressures as Moscon does.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Shocking that he’s had a ban, it was a nothing incident and he shouldn’t be found guilty just because he rides for sky....look forward to many bans in the peloton from now on

Biased much?

You do know both Lars Boom and Andriy Grivko received similar punishments?

The punishment has nothing to do with Sky, at most Moscons own track record.

That’s exactly true. There are many Sky riders who would be as likely to receive leniency based on their blemishless record as anyone else with a clean past. If Moscon is being singled out, and I don’t think he really is, it’s because of his own prior behaviour, not that of his team.

 

[hrotha]

The irony of course is that rick james wouldn't give a damn if Moscon didn't ride for Sky.

 

[rlntlssly]

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Although I do agree that a ban is absolutely in place for him, I also get the feeling people are overreacting to all of this.

He's been banned for racism and cheating last year.

He doesn't deserve any credit at all.

Cheating? Do you mean the WCRR? It happens; loads of riders do it; those that get caught get DQ'd. It's not exactly strangling kittens with an inner tube.

He certainly wasn't banned for it.

 

[movingtarget]

Time to wake up or derail a promising career.