The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[ImmaculateKadence]

@Eyjafjallajokull,

Did you know LA posted a twitter update asking how to pronounce your name?

Curious

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

@Eyjafjallajokull,

Did you know LA posted a twitter update asking how to pronounce your name?

Curious

He's an illiterate fool!

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Trolls should be ignored. The only reason you are here is to disrupt, as you have done three dozen times before. Seek help.

No, I'm against trolling. I agree with what you and Thoughtforfood said in the LeMond thread in the clinic that there are two people responsible for most of the trolling in this forum.

 

[El Oso]

Lance sure does train with SRM and uses that power meter sometimes in other races, but has he ever had a power meter on his bike while riding in the TdF?

He didn't last year

But he did use one at the TOC:http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/feb09/california09/?id=/photos/2009/feb09/california09/california098/JD_09TOCstg7012

Not sure why he wouldn't use one at the Tour. I wouldn't think the weight be a real issue (bike should be light enough to be at the limit and the weight of an SRM is primarily in the hub so it wouldn't be much rotating mass)

 

[BroDeal]

No, I'm against trolling. I agree with what you and Thoughtforfood said in the LeMond thread in the clinic that there are two people responsible for most of the trolling in this forum.

You and your sockpuppets are responsible for 90% of it. That's why you have been banned thirty times.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It's not my claim, is it.
.......
You're changing your story now in order to troll. Yesterday you accepted that LA's cadence was 110 on the flats.

Why are you trolling me?

You appear to have forgotten that you wrote this earlier....

I know he did the New York marathon twice in retirement. A commentator said this can slow down the cadence of a cyclist. I have no idea if this is true or what it is based on. I can only presume they mean the rythme for running is slower?
......

So who was the commentator?

Here is a video of LA's 2005 prologue. There is 1 minute where he is at full speed - his rpm is 103. (Which in case you didn't know is less than 110rpm)

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

You and your sockpuppets are responsible for 90% of it. That's why you have been banned thirty times.

No, no. You were both right that two people are responsible for the vast majority of trolling. They are both dedicated trolls.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

You appear to have forgotten that you wrote this earlier....

No, I remembered. Why would I have forgotten it?

So who was the commentator?

A former British cyclist pundit who regulary sits with James Richardson in the studio during the Tour. He's not a big name so I can't remember him off hand. Southern accent, full head of hair. He did a little video on the different bikes they use for the moutain stages of the Tour from Evans at Gatwick last year -where I bought my current bike. If someone can tell me his name I'd be grateful.

Here is a video of LA's 2005 prologue. There is 1 minute where he is at full speed - his rpm is 103. (Which in case you didn't know is less than 110rpm)

Interesting, thanks.

 

[BikeCentric]

He didn't last year

But he did use one at the TOC:http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/feb09/california09/?id=/photos/2009/feb09/california09/california098/JD_09TOCstg7012

Not sure why he wouldn't use one at the Tour. I wouldn't think the weight be a real issue (bike should be light enough to be at the limit and the weight of an SRM is primarily in the hub so it wouldn't be much rotating mass)

FYI SRM's are in the crank and PowerTap's are in the hub; agree with you though that weight shouldn't be that big of an issue anymore considering how light bikes are these days.

 

[thehog]

He didn't last year

But he did use one at the TOC:http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/feb09/california09/?id=/photos/2009/feb09/california09/california098/JD_09TOCstg7012

Not sure why he wouldn't use one at the Tour. I wouldn't think the weight be a real issue (bike should be light enough to be at the limit and the weight of an SRM is primarily in the hub so it wouldn't be much rotating mass)

71kgs never looked so good.

 

[theswordsman]

Just got this from a Scott Sunderland tweet, and looked up the source. I thought immediately of Armstrong & Contador. I wonder who Sunderland was thinking about then he tweeted it?

Nothing more completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.

Charles Caleb Colton

 

[theswordsman]

Bruyneel explains why Armstrong riding the Tour of the Gila with two teammates as Mellow Johnny's is way better Tour de France preparation than his original plan to race the three Ardennes Classics. He also says the reason for the change in schedule was that Lance got sick at Circuit de Sarthe, so I guess he never saw the memo about the loving father and the Pinewood Derby. Google Translation. Have fun.

We have opted for something more race mileage on height by the Tour of Gila in New Mexico to drive. This is a five-day, making him two days more direction than when the ideal program Amstel Gold Race, Flèche Wallonne and Liege-Bastogne-Liege could hold. Lance, knowing he would certainly in Liege against the top players entered. Once the game starts League beast in him always to live.

For the classification riders are certainly the Ardennes classics a good preparation towards the Tour. The only downside is the risk of a crash, because in a one-day course is always more nervous than riding in a stage race. You have to ensure that with any level at the start of the classics is because spreading is a must if you stronger.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/c...n_Bruyneel__Het_zegt_niks__.html?sn=telesport

 

[unsheath]

Nothing more completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.

Charles Caleb Colton

That's brilliant. Sums up TDF 09 & Wheelgate perfectly.

 

[53 x 11]

FYI SRM's are in the crank and PowerTap's are in the hub; agree with you though that weight shouldn't be that big of an issue anymore considering how light bikes are these days.

Power meters are a training tool. Ballstrong and other riders use them in lead up races rather than the event they are focusing on, after all whats the point of sitting at X watts is some guy is riding away from you?. They are useful in TT's as you can clearly see threshold, so they might get used there.

 

[Publicus]

Bruyneel explains why Armstrong riding the Tour of the Gila with two teammates as Mellow Johnny's is way better Tour de France preparation than his original plan to race the three Ardennes Classics. He also says the reason for the change in schedule was that Lance got sick at Circuit de Sarthe, so I guess he never saw the memo about the loving father and the Pinewood Derby. Google Translation. Have fun.



http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/c...n_Bruyneel__Het_zegt_niks__.html?sn=telesport

This was a quote from a CN article on Tuesday April 6, 2010. He'd already decided to back out of AGR before he got sick and pulled out of Sarthe.

RadioShack press officer Philippe Maertens confirmed to Cyclingnews on Tuesday that Armstrong will return to the United States following the French stage race.

"After Sarthe he will go back home to the United States to train and spend time with his family," said Maertens.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-out-of-amstel-gold-race

 

[wattage]

Power meters are a training tool. Ballstrong and other riders use them in lead up races rather than the event they are focusing on, after all whats the point of sitting at X watts is some guy is riding away from you?. They are useful in TT's as you can clearly see threshold, so they might get used there.

I haven't seen Lance using power meter in a time trial stage at the Tour either.

 

[python]

thought it could interesting…

a friend who happened to be at one of those armstrong’s public appearances emailed me that he overheard the texan boasting he spends 150 000 on health supplements and undergoes thorough blood analysis to find any nutritional deficiencies. that’s a looooot of money on freaking vitamins

 

[icefire]

thought it could interesting…

a friend who happened to be at one of those armstrong’s public appearances emailed me that he overheard the texan boasting he spends 150 000 on health supplements and undergoes thorough blood analysis to find any nutritional deficiencies. that’s a looooot of money on freaking vitamins

Can't he buy some pills for his stomach ache with that money?

 

[BikeCentric]

Power meters are a training tool. Ballstrong and other riders use them in lead up races rather than the event they are focusing on, after all whats the point of sitting at X watts is some guy is riding away from you?. They are useful in TT's as you can clearly see threshold, so they might get used there.

I was not the one who recommended using the power meter in racing however their usefullness in racing is mainly to collect data to analyze afterward.

 

[Oldman]

I was not the one who recommended using the power meter in racing however their usefullness in racing is mainly to collect data to analyze afterward.

I've had to "recommend" to teammates that have coaches to turn off their data during races as they tend to underride to their potential. They get fixated on how many watts they've already used....and when the race is over they revel in their max output while finishing 20th.

 

[thehog]

Sorry. Thought you were baiting. No offence intended.

Its not the height of Alpine climbs its the length and the undulations contained within. You have to climb them to know them. The gearing is most important. You have to get the gearing right or it will kill your chances. I don't mean you need a higher enough gear to ride uphill but you need the right combination. They don't have 20km+ climbs in the US. You have to teach yourself, train yourself to concentrate for over an hour on these climbs. Anyone can ride uphill but imagine yourself riding uphill for 2 hours, then 3 hours etc. Its so much different than riding on the flat at concentrating for that period of time.. You cannot replicate this sensation anywhere else in the world bar France, Italy and some of Spain.

From personal experience I've done d'Huez 4 times. Each and every time I've climbed it I've learnt something new. One prevailing theme of riding d'Huez is the concentration and knowing how to balance and channel your energy for the entire climb. The first 2km's it "ramps up" - expended too much energy there and it can cost you later. Thats the way it works - the action you take at km 2 and cost you at km 19. Throw in guys attacking and if you "know" the climb you can calculate if to follow, to limit or to counter. (This is where doping destroyed the sport - because everyone fat, thin could climb at the same speed. The nuances of climbs became less important.)

This years Tour uses several non-tradtional climbs. Armstrong doesn't know them from experience. So banging out 6 hours rides in Texas and flying around the world is not going to prepare him to "know" these climbs and how to concentrate riding up these mountains. Although I'm sure "hope", "courage" and "doing it for them" will counteract this

Thanks Hog. As always your analysis is enlightening.

On this point I was reading the latest edition of CycleSport and I came across a quote from Wiggins on the very subject you detail.

He said:

"The Tourmalet was OK and I knew the Andorra climbs from riding Catalonia a few years back, but in the Col de Romme were they finally got rid of me, I was overgeared, using a 42 chainring. Its things like that you only know from doing those climbs, knowing what kind of equipment you need and covering all the bases".

 

[kurtinsc]

Thanks Hog. As always your analysis is enlightening.

On this point I was reading the latest edition of CycleSport and I came across a quote from Wiggins on the very subject you detail.

He said:

"The Tourmalet was OK and I knew the Andorra climbs from riding Catalonia a few years back, but in the Col de Romme were they finally got rid of me, I was overgeared, using a 42 chainring. Its things like that you only know from doing those climbs, knowing what kind of equipment you need and covering all the bases".

Yes, and nobody ever denied that riding the particular climbs being used in the race is something that gives a big edge.

The question was do riding OTHER climbs in europe (not the ones in the race) somehow provide more benefit then riding mountains in the US, South America or Asia.

Wiggins' quote goes to knowledge of the SPECIFIC climb... which throughout the thread everyone agreed with.

 

[ErmOkk]

Doesn't LA always go out for a reconnaissance in may? I'm sure he takes off after the ToC. If he doesn't, well yea he's ****ed, but if he still wants a good performance I bet he will.

 

[thehog]

The question was do riding OTHER climbs in europe (not the ones in the race) somehow provide more benefit then riding mountains in the US, South America or Asia.

Wiggins' quote goes to knowledge of the SPECIFIC climb... which throughout the thread everyone agreed with.

No that wasn't the question. Because I asked the question.

What I said was training in the US on crap-**** climbs doesn't hold any benefit for a Tour supposed contender. The climbs in the US are nothing like those in Europe, neither as long or steep. Along with the fact that if you ride the very climbs that are in the Tour you gain "the knowledge". I was right on both counts. Form that point a lot of you bubba smith types ran off to Google to find mountain ranges all over the US in attempt to prove me wrong. It didn't matter that Armstrong was nowhere near these climbs you guys just got hung-up on proving me wrong. You just made yourself look silly. Training in Austin where its flat and in Aspen where its still snowing is a waste of time.

Many moons ago Botero went off to Columbia to dope and train in their high mountains and came back a sinking failure. You have to train on the specific passes and the very man who taught us that is Lance himself.

 

[kurtinsc]

No that wasn't the question. Because I asked the question.

What I said was training in the US on crap-**** climbs doesn't hold any benefit for a Tour supposed contender. The climbs in the US are nothing like those in Europe, neither as long or steep. Along with the fact that if you ride the very climbs that are in the Tour you gain "the knowledge". I was right on both counts. Form that point a lot of you bubba smith types ran off to Google to find mountain ranges all over the US in attempt to prove me wrong. It didn't matter that Armstrong was nowhere near these climbs you guys just got hung-up on proving me wrong. You just made yourself look silly. Training in Austin where its flat and in Aspen where its still snowing is a waste of time.

Many moons ago Botero went off to Columbia to dope and train in their high mountains and came back a sinking failure. You have to train on the specific passes and the very man who taught us that is Lance himself.

If you kept it simply about Lance, I would have never made a comment on the topic at all. I honestly have no idea where he's training.

But you generalized and claimed there were no mountains outside of Europe that a pro cyclist could train on that would prepare them for European mounatains.

And I simply think that's total bullcrap.

YES... you do need to familiarize yourself with the actual climbs in the race beforehand if you want to be fully prepared. Again... nobody ever said otherwise. But for general climbing training, I don't see a benefit riding up a 20km long 10% grade in Europe over a 20km long 10% grade in the US, Canada, Columbia, Kenya or wherever.

If you're not riding the actual climb... it's just general training. Who really gives a crap where you're doing it?


Is Lance? How should I know? I don't get any of his twitter feeds except for what people like you post here. I don't really care how he's training. I simply disagree with your premise that the only mountains you can ride on to build climbing fitness exist in Europe.