The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[flicker]

and for my next trick I will produce a red herring out of a hat.....

you really don't understand logic do you....

Now progress, investigation of Bruyneel by Belgians. I fully support investigation by any authorities. I do not support Floyds activities in the past. Good will come out of these investigations. Since I am American I like to see Americans sponsors and I do not appreciate when Americans and American riders are pointed out. Se la vie though, let the cards fall where they may.....

Sounds to me like Floyd has dropped the straw that broke the Camels' back.

 

[flicker]

And then you would want Lance to do the exact same thing, uff what a list that must be.....

You fill in the name on the cheat list. Could be Lance, could be someone else. I will bet all the cheaters have been caught by now.

 

[grimpeur]

I will bet all the cheaters have been caught by now.

That's delusional.

 

[Berzin]

I want to see Floyd get on a plane and fly to France to face charges.
After that I want to see Floyd apologize to his teamates on the team he destroyed (PHONAK) and pay their lost wages. Then I want to see Floyd pay back the promotors of all the races he won doped.

Then I want to see him payback the fans he bilked for his "defense" fund.
etc etc. Floyd is no different then Medhov. Pure sociopath.

After his apologies and restitution I would love to hear his story in a US Grand jury.

Landis didn't destroy Phonak if what he said is true. Floyd stated that he went directly to the director sportif, told him what he was doing and asked if continuing to do so would be a problem.

And how did the DS respond? He said something along the lines of, "Alright, Floyd-do your thing, baby!!!"

Puleeze with this line of reasoning. Blame the guy caught in the middle (Landis) who in the grand scheme of things is only a link in the chain while Bruyneel, Armstrong and Ferarri continue to poison cycling. That's great.

We need to sick the pit bulls on the appropriate targets, and hopefully the feds are on their way to doing just that.

Floyd a sociopath? Put down the Hyperbole Juice-I think you've had enough for one day.

 

[horizon27]

Watching eurosport today,and I heard that Lance's ex wife is backing Landis about the drug taking.I thought I was hearing thinks at first but the story is supposed to be real.

There is no way in hell if its true he can get out of this.

 

[Boeing]

I want to see Floyd get on a plane and fly to France to face charges.

Actually Floyd should probably cop a deal with the Frenchies; fly back to France July 3rd and turn himself in with a deal to cooperate. Then see what they do to Lance when he crosses the border on Nord 59 into RUMEGIES durring the race. Or ARENBERG - PORTE DU HAINAUT


Maybe the whole peloton should surround him and come to a stop at the border durring the race and hand him off.

Better yet maybe AC lets Lance break away into France on his own. Win the stage and then taken away in cuffs

that would rule

 

[altark123]

Watching eurosport today,and I heard that Lance's ex wife is backing Landis about the drug taking.I thought I was hearing thinks at first but the story is supposed to be real.

There is no way in hell if its true he can get out of this.

I read that she had responded to Sports Illustrated via text saying she has been contacted by no one.

 

[reubenr]

We need to sick the pit bulls on the appropriate targets, and hopefully the feds are on their way to doing just that.

I think what I want to see is a "fact." There are a lot of accusations out there right now but no facts, yet. We have one man's word, which has not been too good in general, so I'm waiting. Although, my guess is that he is closer to speaking the truth now than he was before, Landis, on the other hand, does not impress me as some one who has done his homework, like retained or recorded something of factual value. Although he is supposed to have a diary, we have yet to see any thing put together from it that would implicate any one, thus far. Others would have a better grip on this as to whether or not all the law enforcement movement means they smell blood or they are just protecting their behinds. My guess is that the cycling world ultimately fall apart like a house of cards, since it will not be able to withstand very much "looking around." Everything depends on everyone turning their heads and the old boys keeping a tight lip, as well as looking like you're doing something to catch cheaters. However, once some one in law enforcement starts looking in earnest, some one, for example, who sees a career move in pinning Armstrong, I would think something would be found. Personally, I would like to think that everyone was clean but I was very suspicious of Armstrong last year when that out of competition test was delayed. There were differences of opinion at the time, but that was the type of situation in which many of the positives were discovered, however, in his case he delayed the test by a good 20 minutes or more, as they supposedly tried to identify the guy while Armstrong took a shower. We will have to wait and see.

 

[altark123]

I think what I want to see is a "fact." There are a lot of accusations out there right now but no facts, yet. We have one man's word, which has not been too good in general, so I'm waiting. Although, my guess is that he is closer to speaking the truth now than he was before, Landis, on the other hand, does not impress me as some one who has done his homework, like retained or recorded something of factual value. Although he is supposed to have a diary, we have yet to see any thing put together from it that would implicate any one, thus far. Others would have a better grip on this as to whether or not all the law enforcement movement means they smell blood or they are just protecting their behinds. My guess is that the cycling world ultimately fall apart like a house of cards, since it will not be able to withstand very much "looking around." Everything depends on everyone turning their heads and the old boys keeping a tight lip, as well as looking like you're doing something to catch cheaters. However, once some one in law enforcement starts looking in earnest, some one, for example, who sees a career move in pinning Armstrong, I would think something would be found. Personally, I would like to think that everyone was clean but I was very suspicious of Armstrong last year when that out of competition test was delayed. There were differences of opinion at the time, but that was the type of situation in which many of the positives were discovered, however, in his case he delayed the test by a good 20 minutes or more, as they supposedly tried to identify the guy while Armstrong took a shower. We will have to wait and see.

On the journal part, I believe he has said he only kept details about himself and no one else, therefore, not too much good there it seems.

 

[Nick777]

I want to see Floyd get on a plane and fly to France to face charges.
After that I want to see Floyd apologize to his teamates on the team he destroyed (PHONAK) and pay their lost wages. Then I want to see Floyd pay back the promotors of all the races he won doped.

Then I want to see him payback the fans he bilked for his "defense" fund.
etc etc. Floyd is no different then Medhov. Pure sociopath.

After his apologies and restitution I would love to hear his story in a US Grand jury.

If Floyd had followed LeMonds' advise at his hearing he would have his money still and he might have helped clean up cycling.

As it is now I think Floyd will ruffle feathers but that is about it.

Including Bruyneel and Lance.

Floyd is just another Sancho Panza. Lancing windmills.

floyd will run the sponsors off though. What a pity. I don't see how Floyd can cleanup cycling.

Unlike most on this forum, I like trolls. They add something.

 

[Cal_Joe]

I think what I want to see is a "fact." There are a lot of accusations out there right now but no facts, yet....

Also my wish. Too much unconfirmed or contradictory "reporting" floating around.

For example, a few days ago mainstream media reported (through anonymous sources) that K. Armstrong "was cooperating" with some investigation, but now we have SI saying she says she has been contacted by no one.

In case anyone thinks there will be a speedy resolution to this, remember that the BALCO investigation started in June 2003.

Seven years ago. There are still legal proceedings ongoing and unresolved at this time (Barry Bonds for example - it has been two and a half years since he was indicted on counts of perjury and obstruction of justice).

Many threads/posts on this forum concerning the recent Landis revelations appear to be commenting on incomplete/unverified (and contradictory) information. While I realize that such a data set makes for good forum conversation, this is (as I stated in a previous post on some damn thread here) only the opening salvos in a PR skirmish. Initial PR on anyone's part may be subject to ridicule at some later date - the best path IMO is to ignore it.

And that PR may be on the part of Floyd, LA, UCI, Walsh, etc. Trust no one at this point.

Based on the slow wheels of investigation, there will be no instant gratification regarding "The Floyd Affair (v 2.0)". Sit back and wait for some facts.

 

[flicker]

Floyd
Does not regret that he doped
Tried to threaten/intimidate LeMond
Took money from fans who believed him inocent even though Floyd knew that he was not inocent.
Tried to bankrupt WADA
Hacked French anti-doping labs. If you believe in Floyd newest accusations good on you.
Floyd just Got on Larry King again proclaiming his inocence.
Me, I will wait for the investigation. I will not pat Floyd on back until investigation is complete.
As far as Armstrong goes, he is inocent until proven guilty. That is how the justice system works in America.
(if you are white)

 

[Publicus]

On the journal part, I believe he has said he only kept details about himself and no one else, therefore, not too much good there it seems.

Where did you see that?

 

[Publicus]

I think what I want to see is a "fact." There are a lot of accusations out there right now but no facts, yet. We have one man's word, which has not been too good in general, so I'm waiting. Although, my guess is that he is closer to speaking the truth now than he was before, Landis, on the other hand, does not impress me as some one who has done his homework, like retained or recorded something of factual value. Although he is supposed to have a diary, we have yet to see any thing put together from it that would implicate any one, thus far. Others would have a better grip on this as to whether or not all the law enforcement movement means they smell blood or they are just protecting their behinds. My guess is that the cycling world ultimately fall apart like a house of cards, since it will not be able to withstand very much "looking around." Everything depends on everyone turning their heads and the old boys keeping a tight lip, as well as looking like you're doing something to catch cheaters. However, once some one in law enforcement starts looking in earnest, some one, for example, who sees a career move in pinning Armstrong, I would think something would be found. Personally, I would like to think that everyone was clean but I was very suspicious of Armstrong last year when that out of competition test was delayed. There were differences of opinion at the time, but that was the type of situation in which many of the positives were discovered, however, in his case he delayed the test by a good 20 minutes or more, as they supposedly tried to identify the guy while Armstrong took a shower. We will have to wait and see.

The only reason why any of us know about this is because someone decided to leak the email. Floyd won't be coming forward with many more details since he is cooperating with the feds and others. The training journals and diaries will not be released anytime soon, certainly not before they are used by the feds and others to corroborate his allegations. This is an investigation now. The untimely disclosure of information is a bad thing since it tips off the targets of what the feds are after (which is what the original email leak was all about (put folks on notice)).

 

[theswordsman]

Those of you waiting for facts - are you keeping up with the list of article links in the Clinic? There's a new one from ESPN that will have Ashenden and the Bio Passport people working overtime between now and the Tour. Lance is in so much possible trouble already from so many sources.

Cycling Weekly was contacted by Bob Hamman, the president of SCA Promotions, because they would like back the $7.5 million or so they had to pay Lance in a lawsuit. Think of all the legal action he's taken in the past, against authors, newspapers, individuals, etc., and imagine news coming out showing that he was wrong.

Then there's the Federal money angle, plus endorsements, donations, and appearance fees he earned as a "clean" rider. Imagine people going through his financials with a fine tooth comb. The guy can't even get his own story straight about money given to the UCI.

People can keep coming here trying to present a case for him, and make it seem like business as usual, but there are maybe forty active threads in the Clinic where people believe the guy is toast.

 

[flicker]

Those of you waiting for facts - are you keeping up with the list of article links in the Clinic? There's a new one from ESPN that will have Ashenden and the Bio Passport people working overtime between now and the Tour. Lance is in so much possible trouble already from so many sources.

Cycling Weekly was contacted by Bob Hamman, the president of SCA Promotions, because they would like back the $7.5 million or so they had to pay Lance in a lawsuit. Think of all the legal action he's taken in the past, against authors, newspapers, individuals, etc., and imagine news coming out showing that he was wrong.

Then there's the Federal money angle, plus endorsements, donations, and appearance fees he earned as a "clean" rider. Imagine people going through his financials with a fine tooth comb. The guy can't even get his own story straight about money given to the UCI.

People can keep coming here trying to present a case for him, and make it seem like business as usual, but there are maybe forty active threads in the Clinic where people believe the guy is toast.

Dull knife, iI was at the Bonny Doon section of ToC No anti Armstrong slogans all pro Lance. The clinic is just that therapy for those of us who can not ride bikes that well. Please just see it as that. For instance the email campaign against the shack sponsoring Lance. How many people sending those petitions even shop at Radio Shack. Boys at home lonely....

 

[Cal_Joe]

Those of you waiting for facts - are you keeping up with the list of article links in the Clinic?

Many article links but at this time way too many "unverified" sources and precious few "facts" from anyone who does not have a financial interest in this.

Cycling Weekly was contacted by Bob Hamman, the president of SCA Promotions, because they would like back the $7.5 million or so they had to pay Lance in a lawsuit. Think of all the legal action he's taken in the past, against authors, newspapers, individuals, etc., and imagine news coming out showing that he was wrong.

Well, everyone has a right to "imagine news". I would like to wait for actual reports of investigations, which may be a long time coming.

People can keep coming here trying to present a case for him, and make it seem like business as usual, but there are maybe forty active threads in the Clinic where people believe the guy is toast.

Forty active threads in the Clinic = ??? I am confused regarding the apparent conjecture that the number of threads "where people believe the guy is toast" is equivalent to some kind of definitive negative determination regarding LA's actions.

To clarify this post and other posts I have made regarding Flandis 2.0, I am not now, nor have I ever been an LA fanboy or apologist. I am trying to point out that there is very little yet in the way of independently verifiable "facts", and almost anything available to the public at this point is from someone who has the potential to gain financially.

 

[Cervelo77]

My god, you would die of alcohol poisoning, especially if you watch such a 5 hour stage

Agreed. A more conservative game would be to have a drink every time someone said something hypocritical or completely untrue to the media during that time. An example of the latter? "I am the most tested athlete in the world" ... have a swig of the drink of your choice!

A better drinking game would be to take a swig every time Paul says "Is that <insert rider name here> who's gone out the back!?". (Usually) this would limit the bulk of your drinking to the mountain top finishes.
For ITTs I suggest "He's pushing a massive gear."
For a sprint stage I suggest a drink every time the time gap to the break is updated.

YeahIknowofftopicsorry.

 

[craig1985]

How much money has the Tour of Luxembourg handed out to LA?

 

[reubenr]

The only reason why any of us know about this is because someone decided to leak the email. Floyd won't be coming forward with many more details since he is cooperating with the feds and others. The training journals and diaries will not be released anytime soon, certainly not before they are used by the feds and others to corroborate his allegations. This is an investigation now. The untimely disclosure of information is a bad thing since it tips off the targets of what the feds are after (which is what the original email leak was all about (put folks on notice)).

Thanks! Good Post! There is this story this morning in "Cycling News" about Ashenden talking about EPO micro-dosing and autologous transfusions, which reminded me of an earlier story about Armstrong's blood profile and an opinion by a doctoral student that it suggested blood doping because the profile should have revealed a change after the mountain stage, like everyone else's does normally but Armstrong's did not. Armstrong poo pooed this as the opinion of some one who finshed "last in his class" but then took down the data from his web site. I wonder if any one still has the data and would offer a second opinion in lite of all the recent revelations?

 

[python]

was there ant reaction from berto to the landisgate ? swordsman ?

 

[Publicus]

Thanks! Good Post! There is this story this morning in "Cycling News" about Ashenden talking about EPO micro-dosing and autologous transfusions, which reminded me of an earlier story about Armstrong's blood profile and an opinion by a doctoral student that it suggested blood doping because the profile should have revealed a change after the mountain stage, like everyone else's does normally but Armstrong's did not. Armstrong poo pooed this as the opinion of some one who finshed "last in his class" but then took down the data from his web site. I wonder if any one still has the data and would offer a second opinion in lite of all the recent revelations?

I know a screen grab was floating around before. You should venture over to one of the active threads and ask if anyone has it. Maybe they can post it to the Floyd Links thread (just don't post your question in the Floyd Links thread--it will be deleted).

 

[kurtinsc]

was there ant reaction from berto to the landisgate ? swordsman ?

I'm amazed that there hasn't been a report of a Contador comment yet.

Bruyneed was as heavily nailed in Landis' comments as Lance was.

And Contador was with Bruyneel, under his program to be "the next Lance" for several years. Surely the Spanish media has asked him some questions. I mean if Lance and Bruyneel go down, it's hard to imagine Contador won't go down too.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm amazed that there hasn't been a report of a Contador comment yet.

Bruyneed was as heavily nailed in Landis' comments as Lance was.

And Contador was with Bruyneel, under his program to be "the next Lance" for several years. Surely the Spanish media has asked him some questions. I mean if Lance and Bruyneel go down, it's hard to imagine Contador won't go down too.

We are varing in to Clinic talk here - firstly what comments have we heard from the riders on the bus with Floyd when they stopped at the side of the road, that would be more pertinent.

As for AC - there were 7 different DNA's profiles from the OCLAESP - I have always believed that AC's is not one of those.
This is not saying AC is clean - I believe he has always been on his own seperate programme. Which is one of the reasons he and JB did not get along particularly well.

Plenty of threads in the Clinic to continue this.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Dull knife, iI was at the Bonny Doon section of ToC No anti Armstrong slogans all pro Lance. The clinic is just that therapy for those of us who can not ride bikes that well. Please just see it as that. For instance the email campaign against the shack sponsoring Lance. How many people sending those petitions even shop at Radio Shack. Boys at home lonely....

It warms my heart to see the Armstrong chammy sniffers circling the wagons.