The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Cerberus]

Lance is accustomed to being taunted by fans at the TdF lol.
Makes him go faster.
Spit on him and he will win a stage.

Last year the TdF fans were very supportive...and Lance lost
Coincidence? I think not....

You're right, Lance is a magical being powered by the sweet tears and anger of haters. That's a far more plausible explanation for his worsened performance than this "Old Age" thing that everybody keeps talking about. Age is really just an old wife's tale. All the top physiologists says so. I know it because Lance told me.

 

[Oldman]

Originally Posted by thehog
"Liar, cheat," yelled a man from the fourth row of fans gathered. He repeated it three or four times, until the seven-time Tour de France winner broke his calm.
"Why don't you say that right to my face," Armstrong responded.

Police pulled the man out of the crowd while RadioShack general manager,

Johan Bruyneel, took a photo of him.

"This may come in handy if he comes to the Tour," said Bruyneel

He's going to need a very wide angle lens to capture all the screamers at the Tour. Not to mention spitters. Remember the German fans on the Alp de Huez TT? Those guys ate cheese and saved phlegm for a long time.

 

[Berzin]

I have a few questions for you guys-

When Armstrong first came back after his illness, he took part in a couple of early season races. I believe he wasn't going well at all and even dropped out of that year's edition of Paris-Nice.

Supposedly he went back to the states and trained in North Carolina with Bob Roll of all people. I believe Roll wrote about this 6 or 8 week training block he did with Armstrong for Cycle Sport magazine, but I forgot which issue.

Then he suddenly came back riding like gang busters.

My questions are as follows-

1) What were those early season races he did and what year-was it 1998?

2) Would anyone know of the specific Cycle Sport article of which I speak? (What month/year did it appear?)

3) What races did Armstrong do after coming back to Europe when this training block was completed?

4) Was there any conjecture at that time as to how he could come back and do so well after starting the year riding so poorly?

5) What exactly had happened that brought on this rejuvenation? Was he seeing Ferarri while training in North Carolina?

 

[redtreviso]

I just watched alp d'huez 2001...that is about as absurd as Davis Phinney romping up every switchback. As if someone sits in the grouppetto but one day decides to go off the front....bwaahhhaaa

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I have a few questions for you guys-

When Armstrong first came back after his illness, he took part in a couple of early season races. I believe he wasn't going well at all and even dropped out of that year's edition of Paris-Nice.

Supposedly he went back to the states and trained in North Carolina with Bob Roll of all people. I believe Roll wrote about this 6 or 8 week training block he did with Armstrong for Cycle Sport magazine, but I forgot which issue.

Then he suddenly came back riding like gang busters.

My questions are as follows-

1) What were those early season races he did and what year-was it 1998?

2) Would anyone know of the specific Cycle Sport article of which I speak? (What month/year did it appear?)

3) What races did Armstrong do after coming back to Europe when this training block was completed?

4) Was there any conjecture at that time as to how he could come back and do so well after starting the year riding so poorly?

5) What exactly had happened that brought on this rejuvenation? Was he seeing Ferarri while training in North Carolina?

I had that CS issue but tossed it about 2 years ago during a move.

What I recall was that Lance went back stateside and trained, then went racing in the West. I think he did Cascade and a couple of other races. IIRC, it was at Cascade that he got some form and started climbing well. Then he went to the Vuelta that Fall.

I think one of the things missing is that it is truly a difficult transition from no training to training to racing UCI events on the Continent, without a bout of cancer. Not making light of the doping but even that takes some time to ramp up and match with your own fitness, meaning anyone can boost to 55% but if you are underfit, it does not make much difference.

If there is an insinuation that there was some "magic" found in North Carolina, all I can say is that having been there only once, for me the weakness was in quantity and quality of the college girls who found a bloke with an accent and a wild travel history to be quite intriguing.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

"Liar, cheat," yelled a man from the fourth row of fans gathered. He repeated it three or four times, until the seven-time Tour de France winner broke his calm.
"Why don't you say that right to my face," Armstrong responded.

Police pulled the man out of the crowd while RadioShack general manager,

Johan Bruyneel, took a photo of him.

"This may come in handy if he comes to the Tour," said Bruyneel

Does the 'if he...' clause mean the heckler or Lance?

I assume he would SAY he meant the heckler, but sometimes the words reveal the heart.

 

[thehog]

I had that CS issue but tossed it about 2 years ago during a move.

What I recall was that Lance went back stateside and trained, then went racing in the West. I think he did Cascade and a couple of other races. IIRC, it was at Cascade that he got some form and started climbing well. Then he went to the Vuelta that Fall.

I think one of the things missing is that it is truly a difficult transition from no training to training to racing UCI events on the Continent, without a bout of cancer. Not making light of the doping but even that takes some time to ramp up and match with your own fitness, meaning anyone can boost to 55% but if you are underfit, it does not make much difference.

If there is an insinuation that there was some "magic" found in North Carolina, all I can say is that having been there only once, for me the weakness was in quantity and quality of the college girls who found a bloke with an accent and a wild travel history to be quite intriguing.

When he went back to the US initially it wasn’t to train. It was to give up. He drank beer. Many people saw him in the local bars around Austin. He rode a little but not much. Ate a lot. Gained weight. Then he had a visit from a couiple of people. EM being one. He went on a boat ride. They talked a lot. Eddy detailed out the program. What needed to be done. He started to ride again. Went back to Europe for one last try. Went to Italy first. Sat down with Ferrari and mapped out the whole program. Strength first. Then build the base. There’s a pizza place in Italy and the lady inside will tell you about his training and eating. She was interviewed for ProCycling. This was the change. Ferrari not the pizza. When he came back after this block he’d truly changed. The stregth element was noted. The base was layed over the course of the rest of the year. Miles, upon miles upon miles. Steriods first, then EPO. The man was changed.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

You're right, Lance is a magical being powered by the sweet tears and anger of haters. That's a far more plausible explanation for his worsened performance than this "Old Age" thing that everybody keeps talking about. Age is really just an old wife's tale. All the top physiologists says so. I know it because Lance told me.

He is supercharged by the rage of haters and turbocharged by his hatred of cancer.

Age is just a number. My grandpa told me that just before he dozed off at the wheel and t-boned a troop of boyscouts picking up trash on the side of the highway.

 

[El Oso]

I have a few questions for you guys-

When Armstrong first came back after his illness, he took part in a couple of early season races. I believe he wasn't going well at all and even dropped out of that year's edition of Paris-Nice.

Supposedly he went back to the states and trained in North Carolina with Bob Roll of all people. I believe Roll wrote about this 6 or 8 week training block he did with Armstrong for Cycle Sport magazine, but I forgot which issue.

Then he suddenly came back riding like gang busters.

My questions are as follows-

1) What were those early season races he did and what year-was it 1998?

2) Would anyone know of the specific Cycle Sport article of which I speak? (What month/year did it appear?)

3) What races did Armstrong do after coming back to Europe when this training block was completed?

4) Was there any conjecture at that time as to how he could come back and do so well after starting the year riding so poorly?

5) What exactly had happened that brought on this rejuvenation? Was he seeing Ferarri while training in North Carolina?

I don't remember a Cycle Sport with it, but it was mentioned in both It's Not About the Bike and Bobke. Hog is correct, Lance had quit after Paris-Nice and went to the life of beer and golf. The training block was to get him ready for Ride the Roses, so that he wouldn't be embarrassed at his own race. He then went ape $h!t during that training block and the rest is history

 

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[Berzin]

I don't remember a Cycle Sport with it, but it was mentioned in both It's Not About the Bike and Bobke. Hog is correct, Lance had quit after Paris-Nice and went to the life of beer and golf. The training block was to get him ready for Ride the Roses, so that he wouldn't be embarrassed at his own race. He then went ape $h!t during that training block and the rest is history.

Ape$h!t is right. Roll mentioned in the article I read that he was amazed at how fast Armstrong gained not only fitness but power during this training block.

His wattage just kept increasing and increasing. I remember thinking, "that doesn't sound right at all. How can it be physically possible to get so strong so quickly?" But that was before I knew about his relationship with Dr. Ferarri.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Won Luxembourg. Topical innit?

 

[flicker]

Writing EPO LANCE and the German Lager louts along the road on the spewing beer and rotten cheese phlem at Lance amuse me. The fans show their class and understanding of sport. Also how they represent Germany.

Taunting Lance from behind a barrier after Lance finished a stage is scary stalking behavior.
I really dislike hecklers. To me they are stalkers and cowards. Kinda like the man who shot and murdered John Lennon or sucker punched Merckx in the Tour. Same rational. Or the Syrian who shot and killed Bobby Kennedy. Assasins all.

 

[Oldman]

Writing EPO LANCE and the German Lager louts along the road on the spewing beer and rotten cheese phlem at Lance amuse me. The fans show their class and understanding of sport. Also how they represent Germany.

Taunting Lance from behind a barrier after Lance finished a stage is scary stalking behavior.
I really dislike hecklers. To me they are stalkers and cowards. Kinda like the man who shot and murdered John Lennon or sucker punched Merckx in the Tour. Same rational. Or the Syrian who shot and killed Bobby Kennedy. Assasins all.

You get no argument from me on the class and danger part. Hooligans exist in every sport but seldom get as close without security as in cycling. I can't imagine trying to concentrate in that environment and do the job at hand. On the US side we get the most virulent "fans" at NFL and NHL events. Tour of Cal was a Radioshack promotional Lovefest more than a race. I can sympathize with Michael Rodgers being irritated at having to come, because his sponsor was California/local and then put up with questions about Lance. On the plus side, his life wasn't in jeopardy from anything other than wet pavement.

 

[flicker]

You get no argument from me on the class and danger part. Hooligans exist in every sport but seldom get as close without security as in cycling. I can't imagine trying to concentrate in that environment and do the job at hand. On the US side we get the most virulent "fans" at NFL and NHL events. Tour of Cal was a Radioshack promotional Lovefest more than a race. I can sympathize with Michael Rodgers being irritated at having to come, because his sponsor was California/local and then put up with questions about Lance. On the plus side, his life wasn't in jeopardy from anything other than wet pavement.

I was at a game between the SF Giants and Dodgers at Candlestick. A heckler heckled Kirk Gibson who was playing 3rd base or left field at the time. I just thought what a no-life angry bozo the heckler was. Kirk Gibson was doing his job as a baseball player. Fans need to respect this, regardless of their opinions. When people express themselves that waym it embarasses me, even if I agree with the heckler. Hecklers show the worst in human behavior.
They remind me of skinheads at British Football matches!

 

[thehog]

I was at a game between the SF Giants and Dodgers at Candlestick. A heckler heckled Kirk Gibson who was playing 3rd base or left field at the time. I just thought what a no-life angry bozo the heckler was. Kirk Gibson was doing his job as a baseball player. Fans need to respect this, regardless of their opinions. When people express themselves that waym it embarasses me, even if I agree with the heckler. Hecklers show the worst in human behavior.
They remind me of skinheads at British Football matches!

I agree.

Lance should desist from heckling Simeoni, Bassons and heckling about Landis's mental stability.

Well put. Couldn't agree more.

Its just plain ugly.

Reminds me of skinh….. well just reminds me of Lance.

 

[red_flanders]

Come here and say it straight to me, "said an angry Lance Armstrong three times towards the crowd

Oh, now that's funny. What is he, a whole 5' 9" and about a buck seventy? Grrr! Hahahahaha!

I wonder if "the crowd" yelled back, "Sure, lose the bodyguards and sign an agreement not to sue me!"

Oh wait, he doesn't sue people anymore. Sorry, never mind...

 

[peacefultribe]

I agree.

Lance should desist from heckling Simeoni, Bassons and heckling about Landis's mental stability.

Well put. Couldn't agree more.

Its just plain ugly.

Reminds me of skinh….. well just reminds me of Lance.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[flicker]

I agree.

Lance should desist from heckling Simeoni, Bassons and heckling about Landis's mental stability.

Well put. Couldn't agree more.

Its just plain ugly.

Reminds me of skinh….. well just reminds me of Lance.

Even though I like Lance his bad behavior is far from being a role model.
If Lance acts up it is not our job to heckle him at races. We need to watch ourselves.

 

[thehog]

Even though I like Lance his bad behavior is far from being a role model.
If Lance acts up it is not our job to heckle him at races. We need to watch ourselves.

You're right what was I thinking? Would should praise him. He saved the world from cancer. Go Lance! Go take on the world. Tell them its not true. Tell them you're not really a doper. Tell them the 7 houses, the art collection, the 4 cars, the 7 step dads, the 3 wives and 9 children is all from hard work. And hard work wins you the game life. There's just not point in being nice. Nice doesn't win.

Get f_rked. He gets what he hands out.

I think a lot of poeple a mighty p)ssed off. He sold them a dud story. And he knows it.

 

[redtreviso]

Writing EPO LANCE and the German Lager louts along the road on the spewing beer and rotten cheese phlem at Lance amuse me. The fans show their class and understanding of sport. Also how they represent Germany.

Taunting Lance from behind a barrier after Lance finished a stage is scary stalking behavior.
I really dislike hecklers. To me they are stalkers and cowards. Kinda like the man who shot and murdered John Lennon or sucker punched Merckx in the Tour. Same rational. Or the Syrian who shot and killed Bobby Kennedy. Assasins all.

Republican Hero Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian born in Jerusalem. He is not a Syrian.

 

[flicker]

Republican Hero Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian born in Jerusalem. He is not a Syrian.

I am sorry. He was a demented person ( siran )who thought he was right.

Hog I feel your pain. If Lance is everything you say about him he is bad. I just do not like hecklers. That is my problem!

 

[flicker]

I personally like how GW Bush handled the Iraqi Journalist shoe thrower. With humor and grace. Poor form by Lance to call the heckler out.

 

[TexPat]

Or the Syrian who shot and killed Bobby Kennedy. Assasins all.[/QUOTE]

Sirhan Sirhan was Palestinian.

 

[red_flanders]

You're obviously new to the sport. I can understand doping is shocking to someone like yourself who has just discovered pro cycling, but after you've been on google for a few minutes you'll quickly discover that most of the GC guys have had some sort of programme for 20 years or so, and even before that doping was utterly rampant. It was the legend Eddie Merckx that introduced Armstrong to his doctor.

This doesn't mean that the sport doesn't need to clean up, and most people believe it is well on the right road to doing that, but trying to pretend Armstrong is some sort of fraud just belies ignorance about the nature of the sport during the period he won his tours.

Once you understand this you'll realise it's wrong to witch hunt Armstrong. Believe me, it may not seem like it now, but you'll be kicking yourself.

That's sort of a new twist on the deflection. Nicely done, I'd thought the rationalization well was dry.