Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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I don't like the TTT for GC, because it gives the big budget teams an unfair advantage, especially today when GTs might be won by seconds not minutes. Cycling is a team sport, but GC isn't determined cumulatively within teams, but on an individual basis. Hence, the TTT should be a non-GC discipline.


I would prefer a prologue or short TTT as an opener
an ITT in the middle
an ITT at the end

one of the ITT can be a MTF as well.

Real climbers should be able to climb without someone pulling them.

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I would prefer a prologue or short TTT as an opener
an ITT in the middle
an ITT at the end

one of the ITT can be a MTF as well.

Real climbers should be able to climb without someone pulling them.

:)
Ah, but that's a bit unfair to the climbers' category. Today the Bigs fly up mountains, but "aren't climbers, and smoke the TTs. So what's left for the little fellers to do? I think in modern cycling this is why Pantani was so compelling to many. He was a real climber, who could, however, break the spirit and legs of other more all-rounded Bigs.
 
Ah, but that's a bit unfair to the climbers' category. Today the Bigs fly up mountains, but "aren't climbers, and smoke the TTs. So what's left for the little fellers to do? I think in modern cycling this is why Pantani was so compelling to many. He was a real climber, who could, however, break the spirit and legs of other more all-rounded Bigs.
On the other side there are plenty of small riders who prove that they are capable of riding good to very good TTs as well nowadays.
 
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Well, Remco comes to mind, but who are you considering otherwise? Vingegaard? Pogacar? They aren't of the Lucio Herrera or Bohamontes mold though. Even Evenepoel is more of a pitbull than the lithe gazzelle-like climbers.
I was mainly thinking of Vingegaard next to Evenepoel. I see him more as a pure climber compared to Pogacar for example. He only weighs around 60 kg.
 
Ah, but that's a bit unfair to the climbers' category. Today the Bigs fly up mountains, but "aren't climbers, and smoke the TTs. So what's left for the little fellers to do? I think in modern cycling this is why Pantani was so compelling to many. He was a real climber, who could, however, break the spirit and legs of other more all-rounded Bigs.

The bigs cannot keep up with the smaller climbers when the accelerations start. That is where Pantani had such an advantage
 
The bigs cannot keep up with the smaller climbers when the accelerations start. That is where Pantani had such an advantage
Yea, but I don't see the category of pure climbers of yore. I mean the best climbers in the world, when push comes to shove at the Tour, have also been much more than pure climbers, from Contador (pre-Clen), to Nibali, Froome and Roglic, Pogacar, even Vingegaard. In other words, they can also TT and some perform in the classics (Nibali, Pogacar), so not just mountain goats.
 
Don't know if trolling or whatever but careful examination show that they look pretty similar except for Vingegaard's hunchback.

Vingegaard really does look a bit emaciated. Maybe not Rasmussen/Froome two days from actual death of starvation, but still, his facial features especially. But maybe he just looks like that naturally.

Remco, Pogacar and Roglic also for example look much more like healthy "normal" guys.
 
This whole discussion about his weight is so overblown. It's not like 63 kg is so much that it should cause problems uphill. Plenty of great climbers like Pogacar or Roglic aren't exactly built like thin climbers either.
I have read some theories and one of the more modest estimations was that 1kg makes up for roughly 30 seconds on a 30 minute climb. That means the difference between, say 61 and 63 kg, gives a 1 minute difference on a 30 minute climb. If you only count the MTF in the Vuelta and the time it would take to climb them, this would mean losing plenty of minutes over 3 weeks. Plenty more than he can ever dream of making up in the TT.

Now if you take into account the other -not MTF- climbs, you also realise you have to push bigger numbers and go deeper constantly, wasting more energy and tiring yourself more over the course of 3 weeks. This is actually what worries me most, especially with his inconsistency the past two seasons. You can have killer legs, if you don't have the energy anymore to push those watts to compensate for those extra kg, you shut down. So it's possible everything goes well for 2 weeks, and then suddenly the lights go out.

Obviously this theory is when you don't have to lose leg muscle but just fat and can still produce the same watts as before. Remco, at the moment looks relatively sharp (looking at instagram and twitter images from the past days), so i don't know if he could lose an entire kg of only fat, or at which point he would start losing muscle mass. But even 500grams actually make a difference each day. There is a reason climbers don't have legs like sprinters. So him being heavier in relation to his weight, than the least lanky GC guys of the past decades causes quite a bit of doubt for me. Especially with a team that frankly often gives the impression it doesn't seem to know what they are doing, making stuff up as they go and trying a completely different approach compared to last year, based on the assumption that this was the problem and not his recovery and preparation.

For me personally, it is the biggest concern. Whether this is the right balance between staying healthy (not getting sick), power output, climbing, and lasting 3 weeks. If it is, i applaud his trainers, but considering they are using his weight as a scapegoat for his Giro failure, considering he appears to be heavier (in relation to his height) than any successful GT rider of the past 15 years, considering the team is not experienced at all in these matters (unlike other teams), i can only hope they got it right.
 

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