Tour de France 2016 route prediction

[McLovin]

So it looks almost certain we'll have a TT from Morzine to Les Gets, after a stage to Avoriaz. The most likely route is via Col de l'Encrenaz (7,1 km with 6.3%) and the stage will measure around 22km. Very narrow road but it's ok for a ITT.

 

[jens_attacks]

i would have loved a real itt , avoriaz 1994 same route

routes are a joke in these sad times
22 km itt is just something to laugh...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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So it looks almost certain we'll have a TT from Morzine to Les Gets, after a stage to Avoriaz. The most likely route is via Col de l'Encrenaz (7,1 km with 6.3%) and the stage will measure around 22km. Very narrow road but it's ok for a ITT.

Morzine - Essert-la-Pierre - Col de l'Encrenaz - Taninges - Les Gets (going down the parallel roads into Taninges) is around 40km... I'd settle for that.

 

[Tonton]

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Fact is there are a decent amount of posters here who would do a wayyyyy better job at designing routes for GT's. I personally find most Tour and Vuelta routes quite unbelievable in repetitiveness and lack of good stages

Completely agree: give LS the job, and we'll get ourselves a TdF. In their defense though, so much is about the money that there's little wiggle room for the course designers.

How about Madeleine from the south/hardest side, and mid-way in the descent make a left and finish atop la Montee de Lachat? Now that would kick arse. How about climbs in the Pays Basque, or the Mt d'Or (5.1K at 10.5%) for a finish in the Jura mountains?

My route prediction: if you're from Champagne, Bourgogne, Franche Comte, and other forgotten regions, you'll be forgotten again.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Fact is there are a decent amount of posters here who would do a wayyyyy better job at designing routes for GT's. I personally find most Tour and Vuelta routes quite unbelievable in repetitiveness and lack of good stages

Completely agree: give LS the job, and we'll get ourselves a TdF. In their defense though, so much is about the money that there's little wiggle room for the course designers.

How about Madeleine from the south/hardest side, and mid-way in the descent make a left and finish atop la Montee de Lachat? Now that would kick arse. How about climbs in the Pays Basque, or the Mt d'Or (5.1K at 10.5%) for a finish in the Jura mountains?

My route prediction: if you're from Champagne, Bourgogne, Franche Comte, and other forgotten regions, you'll be forgotten again.

Yep, and thats forgotten. Where there is money there is racing, unfortunately.

LS: Have you ever thought about applying for some lesser races as course designer? I bet you know more about the areas you havent ever been than pretty much all course designer. Its freakin scary.

 

[ice&fire]

You all raise interesting points about the connection between money and route design. However the Vuelta made public some budget figures a few years ago that may still be valid today. The race budget was about 20M€. The cost of hosting a stage departure or finish for the town/region involved was about 50-100K€. Best case is that 20 stage departure/finishes collect 4M€ for the race organiser from the local/regional institutions and that only makes 20% of the budget. The remaining 80% must come from other sources (private sponsors and TV rights, I guess). The actual figure given by Guillén in an interview was that only about 15% of the budget came from public or private sources connected to the hosting towns or regions. On top of this, most of this comes from regional institutions rather than local ones. This has made possible having stage finishes in some small villages or remote mountains in lowly populated areas without a single ski station or any point of interest for masses of tourists just because it fits the race model that Unipublic looks for (Angliru, Ancares, La Camperona, Valdepeñas de Jaén) no matter how pointless may seem to us. With this background knowledge I doubt that ASO cannot do similar for a better course design because of budget constraints.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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You all raise interesting points about the connection between money and route design. However the Vuelta made public some budget figures a few years ago that may still be valid today. The race budget was about 20M€. The cost of hosting a stage departure or finish for the town/region involved was about 50-100K€. Best case is that 20 stage departure/finishes collect 4M€ for the race organiser from the local/regional institutions and that only makes 20% of the budget. The remaining 80% must come from other sources (private sponsors and TV rights, I guess). The actual figure given by Guillén in an interview was that only about 15% of the budget came from public or private sources connected to the hosting towns or regions. On top of this, most of this comes from regional institutions rather than local ones. This has made possible having stage finishes in some small villages or remote mountains in lowly populated areas without a single ski station or any point of interest for masses of tourists just because it fits the race model that Unipublic looks for (Angliru, Ancares, La Camperona, Valdepeñas de Jaén) no matter how pointless may seem to us. With this background knowledge I doubt that ASO cannot do similar for a better course design because of budget constraints.

Good input. It just seems the TdF is a lot more conservative regarding that, at least for now. Curious how many % of the budget comes from hosting and finishing towns in the Tour - probably more I assume?

 

[roundabout]

I seem to remember that the cost of hosting the finish for the Tour was around 200K EUR.

The cost for Sheffield in 2014 was mentioned as 200K GBP. At the rate back then it was about 240K EUR.

 

[Moviestar]

Sergi Lopez confirms Le Mont Ventoux on 14th july on his Twitter.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Sergi Lopez confirms Le Mont Ventoux on 14th july on his Twitter.

strange date. Am I right this wont be a weekend stage.

 

[Stromeon]

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Sergi Lopez confirms Le Mont Ventoux on 14th july on his Twitter.

strange date. Am I right this wont be a weekend stage.

No, not a weekend stage, but Mont Ventoux on Bastille Day as per 2013, makes sense.

 

[Tonton]

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Sergi Lopez confirms Le Mont Ventoux on 14th july on his Twitter.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Sergi Lopez confirms Le Mont Ventoux on 14th july on his Twitter.

strange date. Am I right this wont be a weekend stage.

No, not a weekend stage, but Mont Ventoux on Bastille Day as per 2013, makes sense.

forgot about bastille day. Suddenly makes sense

 

[Olanogiro]

Montpellier-Mont Ventoux, Thursday, 14 July
CRI Bourg-Saint Andeol-Vallon Pont Arc, +- 45 km, Friday 15 July.
Montelimar- ¿Gap?, Saturday, 16 July.

 

[McLovin]

Gap will not be in 2016 TDF.

 

[staubsauger]

Any chance Mont Ventoux might be a mtt!?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Montpellier-Mont Ventoux, Thursday, 14 July
CRI Bourg-Saint Andeol-Vallon Pont Arc, +- 45 km, Friday 15 July.
Montelimar- ¿Gap?, Saturday, 16 July.

45 km ITT? Wuhu!

 

[Poursuivant]

one TT, that is mountainous the day before Paris? Is that right?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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one TT, that is mountainous the day before Paris? Is that right?

Would hate that, I would have preferred to put the big ITT in between the Pyrenees and Alps instead.

 

[rghysens]

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one TT, that is mountainous the day before Paris? Is that right?

Probably not.
As far as we know, there will be a flattish to hilly tt (+/- 45km) after the pyrenees and a mountainous TT in the alps (22km).

 

[Valv.Piti]

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one TT, that is mountainous the day before Paris? Is that right?

Probably not.
As far as we know, there will be a flattish to hilly tt (+/- 45km) after the pyrenees and a mountainous TT in the alps (22km).

Thats superb imo. Very good.

 

[l.Harm]

If there's a MTT I prefer the ITT to be completely flat.

 

[MatParker117]

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Sergi Lopez confirms Le Mont Ventoux on 14th july on his Twitter.

 

[Tonton]

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Sergi Lopez confirms Le Mont Ventoux on 14th july on his Twitter.

Come on man ...

 

[Poursuivant]

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If there's a MTT I prefer the ITT to be completely flat.

Agreed.