Tour de France 2020 | Stage 18 (Méribel - La Roche-sur-Foron, 175 km)

[GenericBoonenFan]

Movistar.

Yes, I know that, do you have a source that clearly explains the rules?

 

[Lequack]

And for those who are wondering, the photofinish

 

[Red Rick]

I'm sorry but you're slightly off here. Average county cricket player (level below international) earns 50k a year. If youre an international AND IPL, you get about 3m a year, 4m at most.

In Rugby, average UK rugby player earns about 120k. Even Owen Farrell, who earns one of the highest wages in rugby, is under 1m.

Even in football, with a commercial revenue way, way higher than cycling, if you play in a midtable side in Italy or Germany or Spain (premiership has insanely inflated wages and prices) you're gettign half a million or so. Formula 1 has huge salaries, that's because there are 20 of them.

Cycling wages are a lot higher compared to other sports than you think. Especially when you consider how many live in tax havens, and how food and expenses for 100 days a year or so are paid for.

So are we deliberately counting lower levels?

 

[Ricco']

Fastest on the climb iirc?

I tried to see something about that on the rule book but I couldn't find any mention.

 

[Red Rick]

Yes, I know that, do you have a source that clearly explains the rules?

They randomly take a truck load of time in breakaways all the time, because they're literally the only team that gives a crap about the team GC

 

[Brullnux]

I've had this debate too many times before, to care to have it again.

If you think 200-300,000 is a good wage to be a World Tour rider, we just have to agree to disagree.

Surprised you've had the debate so many times and still think that cycling wages are so low compared to sports with fairly similar revenues and reach.

And yes, earning 300k to be a world Tour rider is fantastic

 

[Devil's Elbow]

They better be sharing a room.

 

[richwallone]

Yes, I know that, do you have a source that clearly explains the rules?

Top 3 from each team in each stage are added up.

 

[Volderke]

Yes, I know that, do you have a source that clearly explains the rules?

3rd over the line if I am not mistaken. So it takes Valverde (always pretty consistent), Mas and one more rider (mostly Soler).

Mostly, the best GC team with the yellow jersey sacrifices some more riders so they only end up with 1 or 2 riders on uphill finishes within the first couple of minutes, while e.g. Movistar nevers wins anything because all riders just try not to lose time so they all end up somewhere in the top 10 of every stage.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

They randomly take a truck load of time in breakaways all the time, because they're literally the only team that gives a crap about the team GC

Just asking because I read the wikipedia page in three languages and still don't get it :/

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Surprised you've had the debate so many times and still think that cycling wages are so low compared to sports with fairly similar revenues and reach.

And yes, earning 300k to be a world Tour rider is fantastic

Cool

 

[Red Rick]

Surprised you've had the debate so many times and still think that cycling wages are so low compared to sports with fairly similar revenues and reach.

And yes, earning 300k to be a world Tour rider is fantastic

Where are we pulling 300k from? Is that the mean?

 

[roundabout]

Yes, I know that, do you have a source that clearly explains the rules?

sum of top 3 rider times on each individual stage counts, not the sum of top 3 rider times on GC

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Top 3 from each team in each stage are added up.

Ah now I get it, thx.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Where are we pulling 300k from? Is that the mean?

How Much do Pro Cyclists Make? - ProCyclingUK.com

How much pro cyclists earn is a question that has a wide variety of answers. I try to piece together all of the information that's out there to give us...

www.procyclinguk.com

 

[Volderke]

sum of top 3 rider times on each individual stage counts, not the sum of top 3 rider times on GC

in the end, it's the same.

 

[Breh]

So happy for Kwiatkowski!

And dear god, I actually kinda miss Sky.

 

[Brullnux]

So are we deliberately counting lower levels?

They're not lower levels. International cricket employs maybe 100 people at that level, while world tour has nigh on 300 riders. Same goes for rugby, which, as I pointed out, even at just below top international level (about 100) you're earning as much if not less than the average world tour domestique. Football is a big exception, granted, but my point was that the wages of who you can consider top flight (like in cycling) is not wildly more.

 

[huangho]

So happy for Kwiatkowski!

And dear god, I actually kinda miss Sky.

Is 2020, you might expect the unexpected... People missing Sky is one of them...

 

[Broccolidwarf]

in the end, it's the same.

Not at all.

It can easily be doms giving you time to the competition on stages with breaks, and there are many stages where it is not the GC riders that count towards it.

 

[Breezy1985]

Movistar.

Gonna be alot of pressure on Movis 3 rd man in the TT

 

[titan31]

in the end, it's the same.

No, it's not.

For example rider a,b and c could all ride the race and finish in the same time as front group and be no worse off. Riders D on lose loads of times.

Following stage, riders a, b and d finish in the front group, and c and E on lose loads.

In GC, a and b are at top and others aren't. In team, team is top

 

[Volderke]

I feel Pogacar can still win the polka dot jersey. He should be a better climber. Freshness will decide.

Also, other riders will decide: If you have some other very good climbers wanting to set that KOM (for whatever reason), they can take points away from the main contenders.

 

[movingtarget]

Ineos get their stage and it looks like the KOM jersey as well. Richie dodged a bullet for a change ! Yates and Uran had off days. Could be an interesting TT coming up. Top five positions can still be altered even though it will be tough for Pogacar and Porte to move up further.

 

[huangho]

If you people think that cycling salaries are not fair, just think of triathlon... It all comes to how your executives are selling the product...