The Landerneau gendarmerie is investigating the "manifestly deliberate violation of an obligation of safety or prudence".
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So now you're saying it was intentional or careless, after previously being certain that it was INTENTIONAL. By the way, this isn't the US where people and police intentionally drive into protestors on a regular basis (now with legal protection in some states), and now cycling races as well.Either it's intentional or she didn't care. Either way she is the REASON for multiple riders having BROKEN bones and for a VIOLENT crash. You still are having major issues understanding CONSEQUENCES for your actions. Her actions resulted in a VIOLENT crash that resulted in multiple BROKEN BONES. She needs to be punished.
The rest of your comment is 100% projection.
What point would that be- lock her up? That's the only point that was being made.There is no need for it to be intentional for it to be criminal. Reckless endangerment was created to address this. Obviously France has a different legal system and the specifics would change, but the general point remains.
So now you're saying it was intentional or careless, after previously being certain that it was INTENTIONAL. By the way, this isn't the US where people and police intentionally drive into protestors on a regular basis (now with legal protection in some states), and now cycling races as well.
Note that you're confusing my position with arguing for no consequences when what I've said that prison and/or financial destitution would be spiteful and violent responses. Because that's your main motivation here right, spite?
The same point being made to lock anyone up? To punish a transgression and create a deterrent for similar actions in the future. I am kind of baffled that this is a question.What point would that be- lock her up? That's the only point that was being made.
I think I've made my position on incarceration quite clear here. What you're proposing is to respond to a negligent, careless act with a violent one. How you think this would solve anything is beyond me. To repeat myself- nasty, spiteful, small-minded.The same point being made to lock anyone up? To punish a transgression and create a deterrent for similar actions in the future. I kind of baffled that this is a question.
I thought you are a serious woman.As far as I'm concerned the race is over and there is no point bothering with anymore of it.
Well good luck overturning basically everyone’s view on justice and responsibility. Making up a new definition for “violence” to support your view is simply not compelling to me.I think I've made my position on incarceration quite clear here. What you're proposing is to respond to a negligent, careless act with a violent one. How you think this would solve anything is beyond me. To repeat myself- nasty, spiteful, small-minded.
Deserves what- violence? None of what you're talking about has anything to do with preventing crashes, it's about personal gratification through retribution (in this case meted out by the French state). People who really want to endanger and injure cyclists do so in vehicles and largely get away with it in most places. We all know this.She DESERVES it. She CAUSED a VIOLENT crash. You said she wasn't violent. Doesn't matter her actions CAUSED violence. YOU are changing the goal posts. The goal is to ensure people who CAUSE crashes in the peloton SUFFER consequences and MAJOR ones at that to get them to STOP. If there aren't MAJOR consequences the people will continue to do what they are doing and put riders LIVES at risk.
Make sure you read what Blue Roads wrote. It is being investigated as deliberate (which means intentional).
The Landerneau gendarmerie is investigating the "manifestly deliberate violation of an obligation of safety or prudence".
I thought you are a serious woman.
After that declaration (yesterday 9:36 PM) you've comitted so far 19 posts, 10 of them with CAPS LOCK in use, claiming Alaphilippe as a d..er and arrogant person.
Please, follow your promises.
Deserves what- violence? None of what you're talking about has anything to do with preventing crashes, it's about personal gratification through retribution (in this case meted out by the French state). People who really want to endanger and injure cyclists do so in vehicles and largely get away with it in most places. We all know this.
By the way, capitalising random words only makes your already incoherent rants even harder to read.
Well, you didn't promise not to watch...... BUT NOT TO BOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!! (using your manners)A few words does not mean cap locks, it means emphasis. Not watching doesn't mean I won't continue to comment on this disgusting stage.
Well, you didn't promise not to watch...... BUT NOT TO BOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!! (using your manners)
You mean like this:So now you're saying it was intentional or careless, after previously being certain that it was INTENTIONAL. By the way, this isn't the US where people and police intentionally drive into protestors on a regular basis (now with legal protection in some states), and now cycling races as well.
Note that you're confusing my position with arguing for no consequences when what I've said that prison and/or financial destitution would be spiteful and violent responses. Because that's your main motivation here right, spite?
Very different circumstances, wouldn't you say?You mean like this:
80 Killed in Truck Attack on Bastille Day Crowd in Nice, France
'The individual who was driving the truck was neutralized,' officials said. France's president called it an obvious terror attack.www.nbcnews.com
Not sure where he's supposed to go, happened really fast and all he could have done was swerve hard into his teammate I guess causing an even worse crash
Count me as someone who reacted with surprise that he went down in that situation. You can never tell of course exactly how it went, but I was surprised that amount of contact brought him down.
Of course I weigh 200 pounds and mountain bike aggressively, so my personal perspective might be a bit off from a skinny roadie riding in a pack.
What makes you think that I've made up a new definition for violence on the spot? Do you think I'm the only person to hold such views?Well good luck overturning basically everyone’s view on justice and responsibility. Making up a new definition for “violence” to support your view is simply not compelling to me.
Frankly, I think such an attitude, while rooted in compassion (I assume) quite likely ends up creating the very discord and trauma it seeks to avoid by removing personal responsibility from the equation. I find it dangerous and misguided, however well intentioned, but you are free to your opinion and it’s a good topic to debate.
Didn't F1 used to have 30 cars on the grid in the 70's and 80's, but later reduced their numbers?
Any third rate lawyer can prove that it is not intentional just by the direction of the eyes of the spectator. Also the fact that there are no warning signs that the road is not to be stood/walked on and no warning/announcement that the peloton is coming or was heard.
You have no idea what cycling is like. The whole time, fans are standing on the road, or hold banners over the road. 99 % of the time, they jump away just before the riders rush past. Or remove their flags or banners just in time. As a rider it's impossible to take this into account. Because then, you have to constantly brake. Riders are counting on the public to jump off just in time. But this time, the stupid lady wasn't looking at the riders, but at the passing camera. Tony Martin is absolutely not to blame. It's shameful that you accuse him of carelessness.
Putting someone in jail certainly fits no reasonable definition of violence, which involves physical harm against someone. Beating them would. And I think it’s a couple of days in the county clink, not 5 years in the pen.What makes you think that I've made up a new definition for violence on the spot? Do you think I'm the only person to hold such views?
How is me saying that calling for the financial destitution or imprisonment of this person is nasty and spiteful taking personal responsibility out of the equation? Do you really believe these are the only ways someone can or should take responsibility for their actions?
I am honestly gobsmacked by the amount of experience judging the situation.When u have clear vision of a fan, and that fan is looking in the opposite direction while standing in your way, maybe you should consider braking for once