Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 11: Évaux-les-Bains > Le Lioran, 211km

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I hope Gee (+4'02"), Bernal (+5'25"), Ciccone (+5'35"), Buitrago (+5'53"), Bilbao (5'58"), Gall (+6'06") and Mas (+6'27") try to enter the break.
 
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A lot of this today.

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The first is a good counter. The other two are not.

Why not?

Because Jonas was pulling on Cauterets and did manage to get back on Joux Plane?

Pog could almost definitely have dropped him on the Joux Plane if he had waited with his attack but he wanted to take too much time.
 
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Why not?

Because Jonas was pulling on Cauterets and did manage to get back on Joux Plane?

Pog could almost definitely have dropped him on the Joux Plane if he had waited with his attack but he wanted to take too much time.
Strong argument. He would be able to drop Vingegaard at his best here because he hypothetically could have dropped him (even if he didn't) on Joux Plane.
 
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Strong argument. He would be able to drop Vingegaard at his best here because he hypothetically could have dropped him (even if he didn't) on Joux Plane.

Plus this is a perfect stage for Pogi and not for Vingegaard, while the Joux Plane was not.

And again you forget and ignore all my other arguments and focus solely and the one you think you can ridicule....

The obvious point is that Pogacar can absolutely drop Vingegaard today.
 
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Healy can't take the jersey today, as there's only 25 points on offer.

If it's for winning the competition, I'd still have Healy far down in the pickings.
Its for sure the outright for the competition.
He is also not my favourite, but 50/1 also means he wins it one in 50 times. Might be attractive.
 
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Plus this is a perfect stage for Pogi and not for Vingegaard, while the Joux Plane was not.

And again you forget and ignore all my other arguments and focus solely and the one you think you can ridicule....

The obvious point is that Pogacar can absolutely drop Vingegaard today.
I started with acknowledging that Puy de Dôme was a good counter. Afterwards I made clear what I disagreed with. When you then insist that Joux Plane is still a good argument for your point, I then show why I think it's weak.

If you don't want to defend the point of contention, you can just concede straight away.

Sticking with the (strongest) points of contention has nothing to do with forgetting the rest or trying to ridicule you. I keep the focus on the object level here, while you try to get personal.