Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 15 14/7 Loudenvielle-Plateau de Beille 197.7k

[Brullnux]

You don't seem to understand. When his pace over 10km of climbing is only 1m slower than his "leader" then surely he could have dug deeper intead of riding his own pace, in order to pace Evenepoel for a few km. But after that he would blow up obviously.

It doesn't really work like that, though. Landa was clearly at his limit, if he had ridden in front of Remco at a higher pace than what Remco was already doing it would have lasted like, a minute, for basically no gain. Landa would've blown up just trying to keep up with Remco trying to follow Vingegaard, lol.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I would like to know Cavs time.

Think he started the climb 36-37 minutes or so behind, ended up at 51.30

 

[peterfin]

Crazy thing is it hasn't made a different either way, since Remco has actually tempo's himself well. It's probably just good psychologically to know that if you do have a bad day, then Landa will definitely be there to help. Remco hasn't used his team to pace at any point, and also hasn't had a bad day, so Landa hasn't been used as visibly. Nothing deeper than that imo

If he had Landa to set the tempo for the same distance as Vingegaard did for Pogacar, he could be closer to Vingegaard and not as exhausted. Even at 6-7-8% steepness and 30 km/h riding, drag plays a role.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

All this talk about numbers and records.....what is evident is that so many riders are better now than they were 8/10 years ago

Even Landa today beat Contadors time from 2007 when Contador was a young buck and yet couldnt beat Contador when he raced him

So much has happened to improve performance but mostly nutrition and the ability to ingest and use carbs

Historical comparisons tell us nothing except maybe to fuel the cries of those that want to always call doping

However these improvement will level off as huma psychology can only benefit so much...well until the next new thing

BTW : How disheartening to improve so much and still not be able to make a mark on the race result

 

[Unchained]

Gee 9th, should be good to get in the breaks because he's ****ing 16 minutes behind

I am only complaining about Gee because I bet $10 on a website that doubled my bet for signing up!! So really lost $10!!
I watch these often!!

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lH9oMJ9WIVQ&pp=ygULQ3ljbGluZyBndXk%3D

 

[RobertCrawley]

Pantani & Co relaxed at the beginning of Plateau de Beille since Ullrich had a flat tire!

Facts. Darn those facts.

 

[Brullnux]

If he had Landa to set the tempo for the same distance as Vingegaard did for Pogacar, he could be closer to Vingegaard and not as exhausted. Even at 6-7-8% steepness and 30 km/h riding, drag plays a role.

Remco would have lost significant time if that had happened, because Landa is not as good as Remco. He would have been ~90s behind Pog, and then had 5km to do on his own, and ended up more or less at the same point.

Besides, there's still the issue of how does Landa keep up with Remco's first acceleration? He would've gone way into the red and blown up. If Remco wanted assistance, he'd have slowed down, not continued at a pace that was impossible for Landa to keep up with. This is a storm in a teacup

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It doesn't really work like that, though. Landa was clearly at his limit, if he had ridden in front of Remco at a higher pace than what Remco was already doing it would have lasted like, a minute, for basically no gain. Landa would've blown up just trying to keep up with Remco trying to follow Vingegaard, lol.

Yet it does work like that. Look at how Benoot, Jorgenson, etc went above their limit today and were able to drop better climbers than them. They are able to do that for more than 1 minute. Again, when Landa only loses 1m over 10k of climbing, he should have been able to pace Evenepoel quite a bit, but it would come at the expense of his own GC.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Ok, let's do this exercise. Let's imagine that a crash had taken Jonas and Pogacar down. Remco would have been leading the race by more than 5 minutes. In the process would have broken the same records that Pogacar is breaking. The question is wouldn't everyone be thinking that He was better than Vingo and Pogacar together?

LOL.

Well yes the Remco fan base would have him winning 6 Tours for sure ...they do get carried away...but most people recognise Pog/Vinge are on a different level when it comes to climbing

 

[Brullnux]

Yet it does work like that. Look at how Benoot, Jorgenson, etc went above their limit today and were able to drop better climbers than them. They are able to do that for more than 1 minute. Again, when Landa only loses 1m over 10k of climbing, he should have been able to pace Evenepoel quite a bit, but it would come at the expense of his own GC.

Jorgenson didn't drop anyone that unexpected lol, if Landa had to go at the pace Remco wanted to set it would've killed him.

 

[AmRacer]

Yet it does work like that. Look at how Benoot, Jorgenson, etc went above their limit today and were able to drop better climbers than them. They are able to do that for more than 1 minute. Again, when Landa only loses 1m over 10k of climbing, he should have been able to pace Evenepoel quite a bit, but it would come at the expense of his own GC.

Nobody paced Jonas and Tadej.

 

[kingjr]

Well yes the Remco fan base would have him winning 6 Tours for sure ...they do get carried away...but most people recognise Pog/Vinge are on a different level when it comes to climbing

Can you back that up?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Jorgenson didn't drop anyone that unexpected lol, if Landa had to go at the pace Remco wanted to set it would've killed him.

Jorgenson dropped Almeida, Ciccone, Buitrago, Gall...
And no, again, when Landa's pace over 10k is only 1m slower, then he definitely could have been of help in case he went over his limit instead of pacing himself for his own GC.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Nobody paced Jonas and Tadej.

What does this have to do with anything? I am discussing the use of Landa for Evenepoel, which so far has been zilch.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Yet it does work like that. Look at how Benoot, Jorgenson, etc went above their limit today and were able to drop better climbers than them. They are able to do that for more than 1 minute. Again, when Landa only loses 1m over 10k of climbing, he should have been able to pace Evenepoel quite a bit, but it would come at the expense of his own GC.

Well he cant pace someone who has gone off out in front of him...now can he ?

If Remco had not tried to go after the big 2 then maybe Landa could have gone to the front and paced him for awhile

So I repeat what you gonna do? if Remco jumps off and then doesnt wait and you cant catch him

landa I am sure would pace and bury himself but isnt given the chance

And btw you dotn know how Landa helps

 

[Brullnux]

Jorgenson dropped Almeida, Ciccone, Buitrago, Gall...
And no, again, when Landa's pace over 10k is only 1m slower, then he definitely could have been of help in case he went over his limit instead of pacing himself for his own GC.

Visma Jorgenson is not a worse climber than the names you mentioned.

But again, we get to the same point – how can Landa even catch up with Remco once Vingegaard attacks, without blowing up? I'm sure Landa could have paced him had they stayed together, but once Remco was 15-20s up the road very quickly, that option was out the window.

 

[Andre]

It's not over yet. Vingo"s lungs...Tadej's giro legs...mechanicals? Come on Remco..do it for Belgium...do it for cycling...do it for my friends on this CN board...do it for me...do it to defeat the [[deleted: clinic]]...do it for the sake of all that is holy and glorious...Go Remco Go!!!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

And btw you dotn know how Landa helps

Clearly neither do you.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Can you back that up?

Look at the Remco Evenepol is the next Eddy Merckx thread...plenty of it in there that is too boring to read again

Lots of posts about Remco was going to beat everyone for a few years there

The name of the thread alone says it all

If Pog and Vinge was not in this race the usual crew would have ear marked to win everything and beat everyone in the future

 

[Didinho]

I don’t care if Landa went for his own GC today after Remco could drop the others. He would’ve helped Remco if he had a bad day like Rodriguez, I’m sure. It’s good to have him there beside you, if needed.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Froome disappeared from CN forum

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Clearly neither do you.

Will I havent made any comment that said he wasnt helping .....wheras you have definite opinions on it and little evidence either way

 

[Cookster15]

Wow, what can I say. Mou was right? I guess the only thing we can say is congrats Pog. Absolutely bonkers performance. The GC spilts are beyond belief. And now I believe Vingegaard’s claim that he is doing his best ever watts. I also think from his interviews that Vingegaard was confident he was at his best level.

I’d like to know what Richard Plugge is saying.

I suppose Pogi could still collapse at some point but he is showing zero signs of Giro fatigue. We will see.

 

[kingjr]

Look at the Remco Evenepol is the next Eddy Merckx thread...plenty of it in there that is too boring to read again

Lots of posts about Remco was going to beat everyone for a few years there

The name of the thread alone says it all

If Pog and Vinge was not in this race the usual crew would have ear marked to win everything and beat everyone in the future

You were talking present tense. I don't care what someone wrote years ago, when there was every reason to be enthusiastic. And plenty of that enthusiasm has turned out to be justified.

 

[Netserk]

Beille awaits. Perfect conditions for big differences. Lovely weather.

At least I had one prediction right.