Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[krebs303]

Tyler has done a deal to keep the medal. Watch this space.

With who? I'm confused, wouldn't that be up to the IOC? What would the Federal case have to do with that?

 

[kurtinsc]

Tyler has done a deal to keep the medal. Watch this space.

I'd sort of expect that... the prevailing thought was that the fear of losing the medal was the main thing keeping him silent.

However... the fact that he apparently opened up to the grand jury means that he was going to be called during the regular trial... which would be on the record. Perhaps he came to terms that losing the medal was going to happen and finally lost the crutch.

 

[thehog]

I'd sort of expect that... the prevailing thought was that the fear of losing the medal was the main thing keeping him silent.

However... the fact that he apparently opened up to the grand jury means that he was going to be called during the regular trial... which would be on the record. Perhaps he came to terms that losing the medal was going to happen and finally lost the crutch.

They've all done deals. Levi and George included. They won't need to make public confessions. They have their testimony.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...unfair-doping-allegations/?cid=hp:mainpromo4#

 

[WildspokeJoe]

Tyler has done a deal to keep the medal. Watch this space.

I doubt this but nothing surprises me anymore.

Could Hamilton have said that both Ekimov and Julich doped as well so I might as well keep the metal.

 

[Cloxxki]

I'd sort of expect that... the prevailing thought was that the fear of losing the medal was the main thing keeping him silent.

However... the fact that he apparently opened up to the grand jury means that he was going to be called during the regular trial... which would be on the record. Perhaps he came to terms that losing the medal was going to happen and finally lost the crutch.

What's wearing a medal worth when they'll strangle you for the metal content for it in jail? In his heart he knows he was the best man that day, the others doped just the same. The first clean one was a lesser rider. That doesn't make it right, but he'll still be proud of his ride that day, I bet.

Anyway, being a gold medal winner stripped of it is way more special. That sells books. How many of those medals have been awarded over time?
FEDs will not care about the medal, and have nothing to promise him in return for the truth, but his freedom.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

I'd always had a soft spot for Tyler. depression and all that turmoil.
But surely now, this late in the day, it's old news gone bad with the motivation of a book publishing contract..
Good timing though.
Giro on,
TOC on,
TdF soon.
Ideal publicity.

Per RR this would have aired long but Fort Armstrong was of course trying to delay it. So you cam blame Lance for that. Do you think 60 minutes is going to let Tyler do an infomercial for his book ?

 

[Magic Spanner]

They've all done deals. Levi and George included. They won't need to make public confessions. They have their testimony.

Some sort of circular justice if they all bring him down by testimony and protect themselves. After the years of bullying Armstrong will have it all thrown back at him. Reading the content of this thread I'm starting to think the big fall is coming sooner rather than later.

 

[Escarabajo]

Ha, he is cheering a Russian guy for being given a gold medal over a fellow American? What happened to "USA, USA, USA"...

Also - didn't Herman say that part of Hamiltons motivation to talk was that he will not lose the medal - it must be hard for Fabiani to keep up with the spin.

Is the Statute of Limitations is 8 years?

2011-8=2003

Well he did not confess to anything that he did in 2004 anyway.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...f-time-trial-gold-from-Athens-2004-Games.html

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/the...in-the-wada-code-which-they-are-covered-under

 

[Merckx index]

Tyler has done a deal to keep the medal. Watch this space.

So Fabiani says. What's the big deal? Everyone knows TH tested positive for a transfusion and got off on a technicality. And that his blood data a few months before the Olympics would, today, almost certainly have triggered a passport violation. Does Tyler really care if he keeps that medal or not at this point?

Tyler confessed to doping in 99, maybe in 2000 and 2001. Does that mean that his results in 2004 are forfeited? What if Bjarne Riis made a comeback today? Would he have to serve a suspension first? Is the same statute of 7 years or whatever in play for something like this?

I'm also curious as to how the federal government can make deals about who gets to keep Olympic medals. I would think that even if the U.S. Olympic committee goes along with that, it would raise a big stink in other countries.

Edited: Just saw your post Escar. You raise the same question.

 

[warmfuzzies]

This spectacle reinforces the view that professional cycling is equivalent to professional wrestling regarding PEDs, scripted storylines, and overall legitimacy. The joke is on cycling fans.

 

[PizzaBoy]

Just been reading Lance's fans facebook comment. Its scary how many people have elevated him to a god like status.

I know some of these people have cancer and use him as an inspiration but it's so over the top. I feel quite bad for them, its like telling a child that santa isn't real.

 

[Michael Brown]

I bet the medal didn't come into his thinking at all. (And he WILL lose it. The Feds can't control the IOC like that; besides, if he even suggested a deal to keep the medal, they would have countered with "Instead of that, how about we offer you a deal that keeps us from prosecuting you and throwing you in the same cell as LA?")

I think reality came crashing in when he was sitting in the grand jury, and as he says, it broke the dam and he started to sing like a canary. Who can blame him? I don't. And I think he is credible. Far less wacky than Floyd.

OTS, I'm also interested in knowing what will happen when Andreu's testimony is found to contradict his testimony from the SCA arbitration...

Also interested in knowing what LA's options are. My earlier post about skating was done posted on glass of wine #2 and is not realistic. Gamble on a trial? Will going after the witness credibility work? (Not if they all have the same story, which seems to be the case.) Find a country with a non-extradition treaty? (Hope Texas secedes?) Sing like a canary while implicating a pharmaceutical giant or even the UCI? (please please oh please let the UCI get dragged kicking and screaming into this) While he was a big cog in the machine, he was not the only cog and he certainly wasn't the entire machine. What does he (realistically) do?

If he goes down, I persoanlly hope it accomplishes something other than placating the sick, vindictive minds entertaining fantasies of prison rape. I want it to have far-reaching effects on the sport in a beneficial way, rather than causing sponsors to back away and giving the UCI more power to drag the sport down with their nonsensical edicts, rules and approval stickers.

Cheers.

 

[thehog]

I'm also curious as to how the federal government can make deals about who gets to keep Olympic medals. I would think that even if the U.S. Olympic committee goes along with that, it would raise a big stink in other countries.

Edited: Just saw your post Escar. You raise the same question.

Huh? He hasn't done a deal with the Federal government you nong! With US cycling. As has Levi and the rest of them.

 

[sniper]

Armstrong echoed this point in our conversation, saying, “When people have sworn under oath several times and their story keeps changing, which one’s the truth and which one’s a lie?” As for Hamilton, Armstrong said: “His version has changed so much.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...unfair-doping-allegations/?cid=hp:mainpromo4#


Let's be real: if some guy swears something under oath, and a couple of years later changes his story, it's clear that he's been lying the first time, and is speaking the truth later, whatever the motive may be.
The other way round makes remarkably little sense.

 

[Merckx index]

Huh? He hasn't done a deal with the Federal government you nong! With US cycling. As has Levi and the rest of them.

from facts4lance:

We believe government investigators have promised Hamilton that he can keep his gold medal — even after he publicly admits to doping — as long as he implicates Lance Armstrong.

 

[skippythepinhead]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...unfair-doping-allegations/?cid=hp:mainpromo4#


Let's be real: if some guy swears something under oath, and a couple of years later changes his story, it's clear that he's been lying the first time, and is speaking the truth later, whatever the motive may be.
The other way round makes remarkably little sense.

Also hate how ignorant journos spew the "never failed a test" when the statement should be "never sanctioned for a failed test."

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Just been reading Lance's fans facebook comment. Its scary how many people have elevated him to a god like status.

I know some of these people have cancer and use him as an inspiration but it's so over the top. I feel quite bad for them, its like telling a child that santa isn't real.

He has reached a Jim Jones type status.

Imagine being Gunderson and reading those comments knowing that you're lying. And this guy whines about his fathers charter flaws.....unreal.

 

[thehog]

from facts4lance:

My god. If you're going to start quoting and using the facts4lance site as actual fact then there is no hope!! - for any of us!

How is it possible Federal investigators can influence private organisation's sporting results? - Think about it.

What do they care?

The offer came from USADA to broker information and to assist some riders to continue riding and preserve some of their results. Why do you think Levi and George haven't been pulled or put under formal investigation? In fact Floyd said he wouldn't prvoide any names or information until they had immunity.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

All but 2 of Lance's wins are outside of 8 years. THAT would be odd. And would they have to just find ANY doping evidence or evidence during the last two tours to take the last two away?

It would be odd to see Ivan Basso and Andreas Kloden be elevated as "clean tour champions" for 2004 and 2005.

SOL kicked in this time last year - so LA would be a 3 time champion.
Basso and Kloden, ya, about as odd as giving Pierero the 2006 TdF .... Oh, wait.

 

[stephens]

How is Andreu not credible?

I suppose because we have to decide whether he's lying now or lied in his previous testimony. I'm not sure it's so solid that the second version of a story is always the true one (though the odds are for it) and any doubts into witness credibility certainly damage the impact of testimony in jury trials.

As for the Eki tweet, ******* or not, it was well done! It's something the majority of his twitter followers will not understand, but cycling fans who know Tyler's history will get it. And in that one sentence comment, Lance expresses the "consequences" of talking out of turn (according to the "rules" of the peloton) about one's colleagues. That one sentence expresses what lots of Lance's peers also feel about the doping issue (especially in regards to the past): just leave it alone because it'll only hurt us.

Not saying I agree with that attitude, but I can recognize a brilliant way to express it when I see it.

And lastly, I doubt there is one cycling fan who believes Lance is clean and few cycling fans who would bet on anyone being totally clean over the last, say, 25 years. But there will still be plenty of cycling fans (me included) who find the way this "investigation" is going down to be quite disgraceful. I'd much prefer the authorities to spend more time figuring out how to ensure a healthy and fair current cycling peloton (via improved testing or whatever) than attempt to clean it up by talking about retired cyclists who managed to defeat their testing regime (and or sanctions) all those years. Because I don't really see how the latter will accomplish the goal of making today's cycling any better. Oh well.

 

[phlatties]

lance will never get the chance to cry on Oprah's show so a confession or admitting is highly unlikely. Fact. who says he isn't or wouldn't be positioning for a media circus? Personally, i could care less. he did, he didn't. His 15min lasted 7 tours. Great. yada yada yada...the olsen twin thing was more entertaining than the way this surfaces and stinks up the place for a couple of days.

 

[flicker]

First of all let us look at Tyler's credibility. Cited:
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/fn8PlKcwN4u/Amgen+Tour+California+Stage+3/tlPReG87Z66/Tyler+Hamilton

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/03/tyler_hamiltons.html

Please read the cited NYT included in the above citation.

Here is an opinion exert from an email I received today.(I had to edit out the profanity.)

In france the cyclists are merely considered blue collar. They call them "pedal workers."
I gather that largely true, not a good life.

Meanwhile I see Hamilton weighing in. I mean, look at what his possible motives might be beyond profit, self-aggandizement/qualifying his illegal actions etc.
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I don't think Armstrong will go down even if it's an OJ style trial.
Meanwhile, I hope Horner humiliates Levi, completely knocks him in the dirt.

The harsh reality is do you believe the man, who's Chimera twin is buried in the end zone next to Jimmie Hoffa's remains in East Rutherford?

With Tyler's newest book prefaced by Floyd Manzano, coming up who do you believe? I recommend reading this:

http://dusk.geo.orst.edu/lydia/tugboat_tribute.pdf

 

[Cobblestoned]

believetyler.org is porn now. loool

But shirts still avaiable elsewhere for people still interested
http://www.cafepress.de/believetyler

for Giro fans

for dogs

 

[alvynmcq]

That sold if for me, I don't believe a word he said.

Can't wait to see who gets the "discredit" treatment next. Beltran or Heras?