UCI appeals Contador decision

[GoGarmin]

I loathe Contador and his lawyers, and the cyling appeal process for letting this madness occur. Fact: He failed a test nearly a year ago. Why is this still in dispute 11 months later?

 

[Walkman]

This is a total and utter joke. It has always been going to happen before the Tdf and now they want that changed. I hope CAS does not allow it, but if it does why should the other riders and the spectators be forced to accept Contador riding a second GT with him under such a big cloud. It wasn't great having him in the Giro but these things take time and I reluctantly accepted it could hardly be different. That time is now up, it is time for a decision not more racing.

Well spoken! He has already ruin the Giro, I don't want him to ruin the Tour too.

 

[Walkman]

I loathe Contador and his lawyers, and the cyling appeal process for letting this madness occur. Fact: He failed a test nearly a year ago. Why is this still in dispute 11 months later?

You do realize he is spanish right? Their anti-doping "work" is about as good as their economy...

 

[inri2000]

inro2000 ?
Apparantly the hearing has now been postponed to mid July or September due a request from Contador's team to have more time to prepare his defense."
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=13706

what are you talking about ? is it Saxo bank Sungard you refering to..?
do you really think they will take his doping garbage on there shoulders, come on..?
They have for many years been front´runner for there stright doping policy, and was they first team to show there riders values, and used a concept other pro-teams adopted..

do you really think that they will take Contadors garbage from another teamperiod, on there shoulders and on there sponsors shoulders..

Not likely..!!

Obviously I mean his legal team

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Well spoken! He has already ruin the Giro, I don't want him to ruin the Tour too.

You're in for a bitter disappointment, I hope.

I don't think Contador has ruined the Giro at all. I like the way he races and carries himself. If he is indeed guilty of using clenbuterol, then he deserves a ban. If he is not, then he should keep racing. But, it's up to CAS to decide.

Do I think he's doped or done blood transfusions? Yep. I think Schleck, Cancellara, and all the rest of the high-profile guys have done the same, so taking the Tour away from him and giving it to, say Andy, is as big of a joke as Landis' Tour going to Pereiro.

Just playing musical dopers here.

 

[Walkman]

You're in for a bitter disappointment, I hope.

I don't think Contador has ruined the Giro at all. I like the way he races and carries himself. If he is indeed guilty of using clenbuterol, then he deserves a ban. If he is not, then he should keep racing. But, it's up to CAS to decide.

Do I think he's doped or done blood transfusions? Yep. I think Schleck, Cancellara, and all the rest of the high-profile guys have done the same, so taking the Tour away from him and giving it to, say Andy, is as big of a joke as Landis' Tour going to Pereiro.

Just playing musical dopers here.

So basically you are fine with dopers racing and winning?

You think that Andy dopes but we know that AC does. That is the difference, and it is a big difference if you ask me. The Giro becomes a race for second as that would be winning in a couple of months.

Although I don't think he can make such a big impact on the Tour because of fatigue from racing the Giro. Those who think he will go on to win the Tour....well let's just say they are probably wrong.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

So basically you are fine with dopers racing and winning?

What a stupid question.
Did you not read that I said that if CAS shows he doped, he should get banned?

And no, we don't "know" that AC does until CAS rules.

 

[ManInFull]

If he should miss his chance: At least AS will drop AC on every climb this year...

Ah, I don't know about AS dropping AC on the climbs this year. If AC is able to do the race, he will make it interesting. But, I doubt he will be there.

Regardless, AC is much more interesting and entertaining to watch than Andy will ever be.

 

[lean mean &green]

You're in for a bitter disappointment, I hope.

I don't think Contador has ruined the Giro at all. I like the way he races and carries himself. If he is indeed guilty of using clenbuterol, then he deserves a ban. If he is not, then he should keep racing. But, it's up to CAS to decide.

Do I think he's doped or done blood transfusions? Yep. I think Schleck, Cancellara, and all the rest of the high-profile guys have done the same, so taking the Tour away from him and giving it to, say Andy, is as big of a joke as Landis' Tour going to Pereiro.
Just playing musical dopers here.

while i agree it's not comforting to just hand a victory over to another likely PED user, it's illogical to use that to justify inaction when we have actionable test results. it's a good way to guarantee things will never be cleaned up.

by that rationale, some people are able to rob convenience stores and get away with it so we should stop prosecuting those who we have solid evidence against? we don't say it's ok because the store had some unfair prices on a few items (it's a corrupt system)? the only real difference is that the common thief doesn't have irrational fans.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

what are you talking about ? is it Saxo bank Sungard you refering to..?
do you really think they will take his doping garbage on there shoulders, come on..?
They have for many years been front´runner for there stright doping policy, and was they first team to show there riders values, and used a concept other pro-teams adopted..

You mean Giro 2006 Team Extraterrestrial, headed up by Mr. 60%? LOL.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You mean Giro 2006 Team Extraterrestrial, headed up by Mr. 60%? LOL.

Mr. Team Extraterrestrial never tested positive either.

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

Can ASO (that's who runs TdF right?) simply deny AC admittance to their race?? I really don't want to see AC in a bike race, and I hope the rest of the world is starting to feel the same... Whatever he's on, it's better than what everyone else is on. He beats Fabian in TT's and he beats the best climbers in climbing, OVER IT.

 

[ManInFull]

Can ASO (that's who runs TdF right?) simply deny AC admittance to their race?? I really don't want to see AC in a bike race, and I hope the rest of the world is starting to feel the same... Whatever he's on, it's better than what everyone else is on. He beats Fabian in TT's and he beats the best climbers in climbing, OVER IT.

Since ASO has done it in the past, it can certainly prohibit AC from participating. I think AC only beat Fabian in one TT, the last TT of the 2009 TdF. I believe there particular TT had a decent amount of uphill, but maybe I'm wrong. AC didn't come close to beating FC last year in the TTs; AC has always been a great climber.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

If the ASO have any sense at all, they won't let a favourite with a doping case decision hanging over him ride. The Tour doesn't need the mainstream media angle to be all about whether or not he's a doper and they certainly don't want another winner they're likely to have to strip.

The calculations are a bit different for the Giro, which is very much in the Tour's shadow and actually stands to gain a certain amount of prestige and attention from gambling on the best GT rider in the world avoiding his ban.

 

[patrick767]

It's bad enough that the UCI appeal of the Contador verdict takes us through the Giro. Now it seems it will still be unresolved for the TdF. The fact that, if the appeal finds Contador guilty, his current wins could be taken away is absurd. Strip him of last year's TdF win obviously, but taking away every race result after that is a joke. Why even let him ride then? It's bad for the sport. Unless he has a positive now, current results should stand.

Besides, whatever we make think of potential bias when the Spaniards ruled in Contador's favor, he's not even the one who filed the appeal. He's been cleared of wrongdoing and the UCI appealed it.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

It's bad enough that the UCI appeal of the Contador verdict takes us through the Giro. Now it seems it will still be unresolved for the TdF. The fact that, if the appeal finds Contador guilty, his current wins could be taken away is absurd. Strip him of last year's TdF win obviously, but taking away every race result after that is a joke. Why even let him ride then? It's bad for the sport. Unless he has a positive now, current results should stand.

Besides, whatever we make think of potential bias when the Spaniards ruled in Contador's favor, he's not even the one who filed the appeal. He's been cleared of wrongdoing and the UCI appealed it.

Makes sense to me... kind of like innocent until proven guilty. Yes, if he passes all his Giro drug tests, rides the Tour and wins it without testing positive, he should not be stripped of those 2011 titles some time later (God knows when ) if the UCI wins their appeal. And IF it happens the UCI wins, AC's ban should just start then.

 

[moi123]

I'm getting sick of people commenting on here thinking that they know something about the cycling world. You guys are what destroys this sport, wanting to see something bad in every little detail. I tell you what, you've got no clue of who's clean and who's not! Talking like you want a better image for cycling, well begin with yourself.

Do you think the they even care what mainstream fans think? Cycling appasionado's are not the main attraction anyway, just a small group.
The people who are in charge play their 'politics' behind the scenes as we all know.

Attacking Contador and the whole sport because of 0.000... (whatever it was) clen is totally pathetic. Hello it's innocent until proven guilty no? We all know how much they want to take this man out... If there was real evidence they would have thrown him out immediately. Now it has become a political game, played behind golden bureau's (as they say in French) not in the laboratory.

 

[meandmygitane]

I'm getting sick of people commenting on here thinking that they know something about the cycling world. You guys are what destroys this sport, wanting to see something bad in every little detail. I tell you what, you've got no clue of who's clean and who's not! Talking like you want a better image for cycling, well begin with yourself.

Do you think the they even care what mainstream fans think? Cycling appasionado's are not the main attraction anyway, just a small group.
The people who are in charge play their 'politics' behind the scenes as we all know.

Attacking Contador and the whole sport because of 0.000... (whatever it was) clen is totally pathetic. Hello it's innocent until proven guilty no? We all know how much they want to take this man out... If there was real evidence they would have thrown him out immediately. Now it has become a political game, played behind golden bureau's (as they say in French) not in the laboratory.

It isn't just Contador. What about Mosquera? What about Armstrong? What about Valverde?
Are/were they "thrown out immediately"? No.

How many years must cycling fans wait until they get to know the truth? 1 year, 2 year, many, lots?

Thanks for calling everybody who doesn't share your opinion stupid and "destroying the sport", I'm sure they will appreciate it.

 

[ManInFull]

I'm getting sick of people commenting on here thinking that they know something about the cycling world. You guys are what destroys this sport, wanting to see something bad in every little detail. I tell you what, you've got no clue of who's clean and who's not! Talking like you want a better image for cycling, well begin with yourself.

Do you think the they even care what mainstream fans think? Cycling appasionado's are not the main attraction anyway, just a small group.
The people who are in charge play their 'politics' behind the scenes as we all know.

Attacking Contador and the whole sport because of 0.000... (whatever it was) clen is totally pathetic. Hello it's innocent until proven guilty no? We all know how much they want to take this man out... If there was real evidence they would have thrown him out immediately. Now it has become a political game, played behind golden bureau's (as they say in French) not in the laboratory.

I believe that AC is well on his way to being banned. The difference is, compared to the average pro cyclist, AC has the resources to leverage the entire process that occurs after a positive dope test. If he didn't have the resources, he would have received his 2-year ban months ago.

Also, when does a "better image of cycling" begin with cycling fans not questioning what is going on in the sport?

 

[kurtinsc]

I'm getting sick of people commenting on here thinking that they know something about the cycling world. You guys are what destroys this sport, wanting to see something bad in every little detail. I tell you what, you've got no clue of who's clean and who's not! Talking like you want a better image for cycling, well begin with yourself.

Do you think the they even care what mainstream fans think? Cycling appasionado's are not the main attraction anyway, just a small group.
The people who are in charge play their 'politics' behind the scenes as we all know.

Attacking Contador and the whole sport because of 0.000... (whatever it was) clen is totally pathetic. Hello it's innocent until proven guilty no? We all know how much they want to take this man out... If there was real evidence they would have thrown him out immediately. Now it has become a political game, played behind golden bureau's (as they say in French) not in the laboratory.

In some circles, a positive drug test is considered proof of guilt.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a threshold... but the fact is there wasn't one. He tested positive. I fail to see why he should recieve special treatment.

The proof is already there... a positive drug test. I fail to see why the punishment has been voided.

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

I'm getting sick of people commenting on here thinking that they know something about the cycling world. You guys are what destroys this sport

omg rofl. henceforth, only comment if you know something about the cycling world! i thought the doping was destroying the sport, but actually it's just me!!

 

[tsophoto]

Pretty smart move by Contador's legal team to request an extension, given that the UCI is about to get blown open with regards to the Armstrong investigation.

The longer Contador can hold out, the more likely the UCI's corruption is to surface, the better he looks in front of CAS when he eventually has his hearing...

 

[lurveleven]

Attacking Contador and the whole sport because of 0.000... (whatever it was) clen is totally pathetic. Hello it's innocent until proven guilty no?

positive test and plastiziers as well? it's not evidence because they're dragging their feet on that as well, but if that's not a strong indication i don't know what is.

disgusted..
appalled..
that was for letting him start in the giro, the words for letting him start in tdf haven't been made yet.

 

[moi123]

Let me put it like this: is the 'positive' dope test to be trusted? And if we assume it is, then who says it isn't pure coincidence? A 'nothing at all' which has been made BIG for other's and other interests?

The reason why we a have a Mosquera case, an Armstrong case etc...is just because some want to protect the cheaters and others want to attack (destroy) the innocent. A level playing field..

Contador has got himself in an almost impossible position. His 'lawyers' know this. They might need time to find a clever, silent, smart solution to this...
If they can't do that I'm sure they will try to make a compromise. Who knows where this news comes from, it might just be the other side that needs 'time'.... It can be misleading...

 

[BYOP88]

positive test and plastiziers as well? it's not evidence because they're dragging their feet on that as well, but if that's not a strong indication i don't know what is.

disgusted..
appalled..
that was for letting him start in the giro, the words for letting him start in tdf haven't been made yet.

Well lets hope that when the plastiziers test is up and running all samples from the 2010 TdF(plus however far back they want to go testing samples) are given the once over, it would be stupid to create this test and just use it on 1 sample.