UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[RownhamHill]

Fair enough, but that is conjecture, I prefer to deal with hard facts. Froome legally got a performance enhancing drug during a UCI race. That isn't right, forever that performance should have an asterisk next to it.

I will say it is symptomatic of a sport that puts its riders under huge pressures, a sheer physical overload. I read comments of Wiggins withdrawal from TdS and you see we expect riders like him and Froome to perform and if they don't it is addressed with scorn and cynicism. So you're faced with that: Froome dropped out of LBL, and I saw comments here about Sky were disrespecting the race, then at Romandie he still has the same problem, but this time he takes a TUE and continues.

I'm not saying the criticism a rider gets for under-performing or dropping out is the reason some may dope, but it is symptomatic on the pressure put on riders by the teams, the media, the fans, the sponsors, the need for world tour points.

It's a brutal sport, but we must respect the riders need for medical treatment, and that means collectively trying not to back them into a corner to perform whatever their condition and not simply firing bile in their direction. If a rider is sick, then they shouldn't be racing, and we shouldn't be lining up to judge them for that, we should be praising them for it.

This is a very good post. Even if you take Froome's tue completely at face value, it tells a story about cycling that reflects badly on everyone involved - the rider, the team, the organisers, and the fans as well.

 

[Nathan12]

https://twitter.com/RiderOfTheMonth/status/479360726302482435/photo/1

this has Froome and Wiggins written all over it.

Do you think Froome's transformation can be explained just by massive cortisone abuse? i think that's only part of it. Most of Europcar are on the same roids and yet they aren't performing like madmen.

 

[Benotti69]

Do you think Froome's transformation can be explained just by massive cortisone abuse? i think that's only part of it. Most of Europcar are on the same roids and yet they aren't performing like madmen.

No it is only part of the cocktail.

 

[SeriousSam]

This is a very good post. Even if you take Froome's tue completely at face value, it tells a story about cycling that reflects badly on everyone involved - the rider, the team, the organisers, and the fans as well.

it doesn't make cycling stand out, though. it's completely standard in every sport once a certain amount of money is involved

 

[SeriousSam]

Very interesting thanks.

Where can I get it?

Haha, my reaction exactly. Prednisolone sounds ****ing amazing. Should be freely distributed.

 

[thehog]

https://twitter.com/RiderOfTheMonth/status/479360726302482435/photo/1

this has Froome and Wiggins written all over it.

That's fairly interesting. And yes it's got Sky written all over it.

 

[thehog]

Can you point me to the bit where it says he arrived and left on the saturday night.

He did sign on though from memory.

Are you lazy or something?

LBL was on the 27th April, the article was on the 27th stating that he arrived "last night". I said nothing about when he left.

Romandie was on the 29th and by then they had rushed the TUE to stop him from glowing so bright.

Question remains; why did he arrive so late in liege?

 

[Will Carter]

Are you lazy or something?

LBL was on the 27th April, the article was on the 27th stating that he arrived "last night". I said nothing about when he left.

Romandie was on the 29th and by then they had rushed the TUE to stop him from glowing so bright.

Question remains; why did he arrive so late in liege?

No not lazy, just missunderstood your comment where I thought you said / meant that he arrived and then left again on the Saturday night.

Why is arriving the night before so late?

 

[thehog]

Why is arriving the night before so late?

Because there's no dope testing when you're in transit or after 10pm.

 

[JimmyFingers]

it doesn't make cycling stand out, though. it's completely standard in every sport once a certain amount of money is involved

Yes, and all sports have the same problem, just not as out in the open as cycling.

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

What figures do you have regarding his cardiac output?

Take a look at his 2011 Vuelta TT data. The guy maxes out his HR about 160bpm while pumping out over 400 watts. Its been over a year since I did the calculations (not hard to do either), but his stroke volume was up close to 250ml from what I remember.
If someone can find the data for me again I can show the workings on how to get a rough calculation of stroke volume and VO2 max.

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

Very interesting thanks.

Where can I get it?

Go the the GP and pretend you have a nasty allergy I suppose.

I'm always amazed that "the clinic" has always ended up discussing doping as a negative thing. I would have thought it would degenerate in to "how to dope".
Keep in mind prednisolone is very easy to test for. So you will need a TUE too. Doesnt look hard to get though.

 

[jens_attacks]

Go the the GP and pretend you have a nasty allergy I suppose.

I'm always amazed that "the clinic" has always ended up discussing doping as a negative thing. I would have thought it would degenerate in to "how to dope".
Keep in mind prednisolone is very easy to test for. So you will need a TUE too. Doesnt look hard to get though.

for that we have body building forumz people here are saints hehe

what resting pulse has froomey? under 30?

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

for that we have body building forumz people here are saints hehe

what resting pulse has froomey? under 30?

I woudlnt be surprised to see something utterly stupid like that.
Nobody really knows whats going on with him though. All we can say at the moment is "not natural", then sit around and wait to see. Corticosteroids simply cannot tell the whole story with him. And salbutamol is really nothing to worry about.

I have to say I was amazed how simple Armstrong's program turned out to be. Hopefully there is something more juicy to read up on with Froome.
Or better yet, if he is actually clean, thats even more exciting. That would mean I still have a couple of years left to turn pro and win the Tour.

As for cortisone, I should stress that I really would not recommend it. If it is used without medical supervision and abused, the side effects can be just as nasty as overdoing anabolic steroids or EPO.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Fat loss

http://www.e-steroid.com/steroids-blog/adelaide-doctor-with-cycling-ambitions-tests-positive.html

Adelaide doctor with cycling ambitions tests positive

The sample returned a positive test for the testosterone which is classed as an anabolic steroid and is banned both in and out of competition.

Sabine, who is listed as a general doctor at Adelaide’s Surgical Obesity Clinic, had also tested positive to prednisone and prednisolone which are both glucocorticosteroids and are banned in competition when administered orally, which he admitted to.

Interesting

 

[jens_attacks]

As for cortisone, I should stress that I really would not recommend it. If it is used without medical supervision and abused, the side effects can be just as nasty as overdoing anabolic steroids or EPO.

i use budesonide from time to time, especially before a ride. breath like an angel but never transformed me into a beast. never took copious amounts though lol
definitely feel better on the bike

 

[Hawkwood]

Haha, my reaction exactly. Prednisolone sounds ****ing amazing. Should be freely distributed.

I think we give it to one of our cats, I'll have to check when I get home! Beginning to think I've got the complete arsenal at home what with my asthma, high blood pressure and the pet cat!

 

[Granville57]

I have to say I was amazed how simple Armstrong's program turned out to be.

I'm not convinced that we have, or ever will have, the entire story.

As I've stated previously, even those within the inner circle (Tyler Hamilton) suspected that there was more going on within an even smaller inner circle that even he wasn't privy to.

We may never know the full story. But the fact that both LA and Johan have tried to sell the idea that their program was both modest and simple provides me with a degree of confidence that it was neither.

 

[keeponrollin]

I think we give it to one of our cats, I'll have to check when I get home! Beginning to think I've got the complete arsenal at home what with my asthma, high blood pressure and the pet cat!

Signs your cat is abusing Medication

 

[Winterfold]

Go the the GP and pretend you have a nasty allergy I suppose.

I'm always amazed that "the clinic" has always ended up discussing doping as a negative thing. I would have thought it would degenerate in to "how to dope".
Keep in mind prednisolone is very easy to test for. So you will need a TUE too. Doesnt look hard to get though.

easily available online in the uk now Ive googled "prednisolone to buy" £30 looks enough to get a few decent doses of the kind you described

I see it is helpful to Chron's sufferers, Ive had bowel surgery after stacking my car, the end result of which is like Chrons, so I could ask about it from a legit medical concern*, that info alone has been quite helpful.

Maybe Froome isnt 'doping' but they are just pushing the boundaries of what you can get away with so far that they might as well be

(* but I use the same username on the uk tt forum and dont care enough about results so I dont think so)

 

[Race Radio]

Take a look at his 2011 Vuelta TT data. The guy maxes out his HR about 160bpm while pumping out over 400 watts. Its been over a year since I did the calculations (not hard to do either), but his stroke volume was up close to 250ml from what I remember.
If someone can find the data for me again I can show the workings on how to get a rough calculation of stroke volume and VO2 max.

Max HR has nothing to do with Vo2 max or performance. It is genetic. Some riders, like Ted King, have a very low Max HR. IIRC Ted's max is 155

 

[Race Radio]

Go the the GP and pretend you have a nasty allergy I suppose.

I'm always amazed that "the clinic" has always ended up discussing doping as a negative thing. I would have thought it would degenerate in to "how to dope".
Keep in mind prednisolone is very easy to test for. So you will need a TUE too. Doesnt look hard to get though.

I think the Prednisolone TUE might be just a cover. kenacort is more likely the version they are using/abusing

Nasty stuff.

 

[thehog]

Take a look at his 2011 Vuelta TT data. The guy maxes out his HR about 160bpm while pumping out over 400 watts. Its been over a year since I did the calculations (not hard to do either), but his stroke volume was up close to 250ml from what I remember.
If someone can find the data for me again I can show the workings on how to get a rough calculation of stroke volume and VO2 max.

Out of interest, what is stroke volume? How does it corrolate to the use of PEDs?

 

[Will Carter]

I think the Prednisolone TUE might be just a cover. kenacort is more likely the version they are using/abusing

Nasty stuff.

Which would show up in urine tests wouldnt it? The Prednisolone would be ignored presumably (although in an ideal world they would check those levels weren't too high hopefully) but surely Kenacort would trigger a +ve. I cant believe they just ignore your sample and dont test for anything if you have a TUE?

 

[Hawkwood]

Signs your cat is abusing Medication

Lol, but she's not the scary one, heaven knows what that one's on!