Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[TourOfSardinia]

All the stars that end up in that team
it should be called
Star Trek

 

[HelloDolly]

Re:

I have typed this many times over the years, but it seems that I am alone in this thinking: if your legs are good and you don't have a mishap (flat, mechanical, crash, road side idiots...) you don't need friendly wheels to follow, just follow the other GC guys/teams. Obviously the big hole in that is if you do have a mishap, and you don't have a least one team mate to help you out, you might be screwed. That being said, TREK should be able to put together a solid Giro team for VN. Port's best days were winning week-long stage races and being a dom in GTs so he should go back to that.

I like this move overall: good for VN and good for TREK.

2 things ...

You need a good one or two climbing Doms and I mean top climbing doms to beat Ineos ,etc
To chase or to put pressure high up on GC
Movistar had it this Giro and Ineos have it every Tour
No getting away from this set up

Richie Porte left the comfort of SKY to be a GT leader
Not sure he will go back to being a happy Dom for Nibali

 

[yaco]

Actually the Nibali move to Porte is bad news in the sense that Nibali will want to target the Giro, leaving Porte to the TDF - Anything for Porte to target the Giro or the Vuelta.

 

[Robert5091]

LRP will be off to some top team like Dimension Data.

 

[jmdirt]

Re: Re:

I have typed this many times over the years, but it seems that I am alone in this thinking: if your legs are good and you don't have a mishap (flat, mechanical, crash, road side idiots...) you don't need friendly wheels to follow, just follow the other GC guys/teams. Obviously the big hole in that is if you do have a mishap, and you don't have a least one team mate to help you out, you might be screwed. That being said, TREK should be able to put together a solid Giro team for VN. Port's best days were winning week-long stage races and being a dom in GTs so he should go back to that.

I like this move overall: good for VN and good for TREK.

2 things ...

You need a good one or two climbing Doms and I mean top climbing doms to beat Ineos ,etc
To chase or to put pressure high up on GC
Movistar had it this Giro and Ineos have it every Tour
No getting away from this set up

Richie Porte left the comfort of SKY to be a GT leader
Not sure he will go back to being a happy Dom for Nibali

My point is that is doesn't matter what wheel you're on when the race goes up the road: friend or foe. If you're good, everyone is on your wheel!

 

[Sestriere]

He is on the start list for GP Lugano on sunday, basically his home race. I did not expect him to do any other races than the national RR between Giro and Tour, though.

 

[Red Rick]

Really chasing those top 10s without a win

 

[Rollthedice]

Italian National RR, 30 June. Haven't seen anywhere a confirmation that he'll race it.

 

[Nirvana]

Theoretically there is the rule that says you have to ride the NC if you want to be part of the national team.

Anyway if that one is the profile, meh...
It was supposed to be a bit harder this year but the climb in that route is again a false flat on which you can drop only Pelucchi, Guardini and Mareczko, Cassani should really love sprinters, there wasn't a single race for sprinters between 1997 and 2015 and then now it's the third time in four years

 

[Lo squalo di messina]

So what s the plan before the tdf? Teide?

 

[Rollthedice]

So what s the plan before the tdf? Teide?

It should be San Pellegrino training camp before Le Tour. Guess he's relaxing now, no news.

 

[Lo squalo di messina]

So what s the plan before the tdf? Teide?

It should be San Pellegrino training camp before Le Tour. Guess he's relaxing now, no news.

Ah yes thats his usual training camp before the tour.
Thx for all the updates on nibs BTW. They are much appreciated.

 

[huge]

Re:

Italian National RR, 30 June. Haven't seen anywhere a confirmation that he'll race it.

Compulsory for any Italian pro rider.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Re:

Theoretically there is the rule that says you have to ride the NC if you want to be part of the national team.

Anyway if that one is the profile, meh...
It was supposed to be a bit harder this year but the climb in that route is again a false flat on which you can drop only Pelucchi, Guardini and Mareczko, Cassani should really love sprinters, there wasn't a single race for sprinters between 1997 and 2015 and then now it's the third time in four years

The climb is rather irregular:

This climb 10 times and the finish line is close to the end of the descent, it is a route for Colbrelli, Bettiol and Moscon, if they are in great shape, not for the pure sprinters. Nibali has a chance if the others are watching Colbrelli.

 

[Rollthedice]

Nibali is in Livigno with Caruso and their respective families, recuperating after the Giro, more mentally than physically, easy training. Slongo says the objective is to keep the shape but without stress and hard work. They will be there until the Italian Championships RR on June 30th.

How Vincenzo will approach the Tour remains to be seen after later assessment, the initial idea is to race without the pressure to get a result (GC).

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

Theoretically there is the rule that says you have to ride the NC if you want to be part of the national team.

Anyway if that one is the profile, meh...
It was supposed to be a bit harder this year but the climb in that route is again a false flat on which you can drop only Pelucchi, Guardini and Mareczko, Cassani should really love sprinters, there wasn't a single race for sprinters between 1997 and 2015 and then now it's the third time in four years

The climb is rather irregular:

This climb 10 times and the finish line is close to the end of the descent, it is a route for Colbrelli, Bettiol and Moscon, if they are in great shape, not for the pure sprinters. Nibali has a chance if the others are watching Colbrelli.

It's irregular but the harder parts are very short, there should be someone willing to make the race selective or very bad weather otherwise the only chance to see something interesting is again a free for all like last year.

 

[Oliver]

Re: Re:

Theoretically there is the rule that says you have to ride the NC if you want to be part of the national team.

Anyway if that one is the profile, meh...
It was supposed to be a bit harder this year but the climb in that route is again a false flat on which you can drop only Pelucchi, Guardini and Mareczko, Cassani should really love sprinters, there wasn't a single race for sprinters between 1997 and 2015 and then now it's the third time in four years

The climb is rather irregular:

This climb 10 times and the finish line is close to the end of the descent, it is a route for Colbrelli, Bettiol and Moscon, if they are in great shape, not for the pure sprinters. Nibali has a chance if the others are watching Colbrelli.

It's irregular but the harder parts are very short, there should be someone willing to make the race selective or very bad weather otherwise the only chance to see something interesting is again a free for all like last year.

Bettiol will win.

 

[spalco]

I'm not a big Nibali fan, and maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I'm starting to kind of dislike these "voodoo" jokes, because it implies Nibali is rejoicing at the misfortune of his opponents which I'm sure he's far too much of a sportsman to do. I'm sure he'd much rather beat Thomas, Froome, etc on the road instead of see them crashing out, or lose trying, but not this.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Tell Team Ineos that Vincenzo Nibali is sending his regards...

 

[jmdirt]

Re:

I'm not a big Nibali fan, and maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I'm starting to kind of dislike these "voodoo" jokes, because it implies Nibali is rejoicing at the misfortune of his opponents which I'm sure he's far too much of a sportsman to do. I'm sure he'd much rather beat Thomas, Froome, etc on the road instead of see them crashing out, or lose trying, but not this.

What voodoo jokes?

 

[tobydawq]

Re:

I'm not a big Nibali fan, and maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I'm starting to kind of dislike these "voodoo" jokes, because it implies Nibali is rejoicing at the misfortune of his opponents which I'm sure he's far too much of a sportsman to do. I'm sure he'd much rather beat Thomas, Froome, etc on the road instead of see them crashing out, or lose trying, but not this.

I just think they're incredibly annoying, but I don't think they really imply that he rejoices.

 

[Lexman]

maybe Nibali might have a chance to go for GC with no Geraint and no Froomie....and Dumoulin who won't be in topshape at the start of the TdF...

 

[RedheadDane]

Re:

I'm not a big Nibali fan, and maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I'm starting to kind of dislike these "voodoo" jokes, because it implies Nibali is rejoicing at the misfortune of his opponents which I'm sure he's far too much of a sportsman to do. I'm sure he'd much rather beat Thomas, Froome, etc on the road instead of see them crashing out, or lose trying, but not this.

I'm just wondering where the hell they originate from. Or would that be when the hell?

 

[HelloDolly]

They are just jokes ffs

Why are people so damn touchy and take everything so seriously

I do hope Nibali can rest enough to have a good 3rd week ...GC may be an option...I hope so

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

I'm not a big Nibali fan, and maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I'm starting to kind of dislike these "voodoo" jokes, because it implies Nibali is rejoicing at the misfortune of his opponents which I'm sure he's far too much of a sportsman to do. I'm sure he'd much rather beat Thomas, Froome, etc on the road instead of see them crashing out, or lose trying, but not this.

I'm just wondering where the hell they originate from. Or would that be when the hell?

Because Nibali's biggest opponents in the biggest races throughout the years have fallen victim to crashes or other kinds of bad luck to a quite extraordinary extent.

And now every time a rider has the hiccups, it's attributed to Nibali.