Vincenzo Nibali

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Netserk said:
Who was the last rider to lead the Tour after all stages except two and on the way to the overall win also won four road stages? Sounds "extraordinary" to me :rolleyes:

And did so WITH ALL THE OTHER TOP THREATS/RIDERS OUT, MAKING IT EASIER FOR HIM TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND WIN.:rolleyes::rolleyes: No, not "extraordinary" at all......he simply capitalized on a fluke thing.
 
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"Does Nibali feel bitter that he has been tainted by association? “No. I’m just surprised. Today we have a biological passport, regular doping control, race controls. If you are doping, you will be caught. Even if the technique of doping can be advanced you will still be caught in another four years. It makes me laugh. Risking and cheating today is for stupid people.”

Not that I'd really expect Nibali to say anything else, but under the current system really why would one care if they get caught? Take a chance for a few years at the top of the pay scale, you still keep all your money. Look at the x USPS retired guys mostly all doing just fine with connections and opportunities in the bike industry. People still flocking to doper fondos. None have lost a cent, doping still pays in the current system and getting caught (unless you are Denis Galimzyanov and fined 200,000 (E?) by your federation) costs absolutely nothing. Especially perfect if you are already retired. Even if you do get caught you can come back to work for one of the various "clean teams" (other than Sky) as a DS, team owner, or other team job with little problem. You will be valued due for your experience even if it was achieved through doping your way to the upper ranks.
 
86TDFWinner said:
LOL! You mean his fluke win, where pretty much all of the other top riders weren't there so he could win? Yeah, sounds "extraordinary" to me.:rolleyes:



My guess is in about 5 or so years, he'll be busted for doping too.(Further proof of this is that 2 of his fellow teammates got busted for doping).

86TDFWinner said:
And did so WITH ALL THE OTHER TOP THREATS/RIDERS OUT, MAKING IT EASIER FOR HIM TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND WIN.:rolleyes::rolleyes: No, not "extraordinary" at all......he simply capitalized on a fluke thing.

exactly

good posts
 
isn't "why would I dope" and "its stupid to dope, cos you get caught".

Like word for word what Lance always said.

Anyone who's entire explanation for why they don't dope is to repeat word for word what Lance said, is not clean.
 
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The Hitch said:
isn't "why would I dope" and "its stupid to dope, cos you get caught".

Like word for word what Lance always said.

Anyone who's entire explanation for why they don't dope is to repeat word for word what Lance said, is not clean.

Did someone not tell Nibali it is 2014 not 2004!!!

Jeez these guys should not give interviews they make it worse for themselves.
 
Come off it, what else is the guy to do? Let's say he is clean - if it were you, wouldn't you be furious? And if he isn't clean, he's still got to say this stuff. These guys are damned if they speak out and damned if they don't. There is pretty much nothing they can do right in these circumstances.

The only things that really made me laugh in the interview were

"It seems absurd that the blame falls on the team,”

and

“I can guarantee that the sponsors are very upset.

The first because this is a team led by Vino, for godsake! Guilty be association kind of goes with the territory. The second, because, well, this is Astana - sponsored by state run Kazakh industries. Several run by the president's family and friends. Said president being one of the world's most corrupt politicians. The thing that would really upset them was if Astana / Nibali wasn't winning.
 
Electress said:
Come off it, what else is the guy to do?

How about not say things that are clearly lies.

You think a guy for whom Ivan Basso was for years his closest friend and mentor, who's manager is Alexander Vinokourov, and ridden on teams where everyne was doping really believes that drug tests catch all dopers? Please.

That is such an obvious lie and cop out from Nibali or any athlete who says that.

The "what is he supposed to say" argument is weak.

Its also another example of fans giving riders way more liberty to lie to people and hide behind supposed ignorance, than they would in normal situations.

If you were a teacher and a child told you the dog ate their homework, would you believe them or would you conclude that a stupid explanation like that which has historically only been used by liars, is bull****.

Why then is it wrong to do the same for Nibali when he comes up with similarly dumb and exposed arguments?
 
The Hitch said:
How about not say things that are clearly lies.

You think a guy for whom Ivan Basso was for years his closest friend and mentor, who's manager is Alexander Vinokourov, and ridden on teams where everyne was doping really believes that drug tests catch all dopers? Please.

That is such an obvious lie and cop out from Nibali or any athlete who says that.

The "what is he supposed to say" argument is weak.

Its also another example of fans giving riders way more liberty to lie to people and hide behind supposed ignorance, than they would in normal situations.

If you were a teacher and a child told you the dog ate their homework, would you believe them or would you conclude that a stupid explanation like that which has historically only been used by liars, is bull****.

Why then is it wrong to do the same for Nibali when he comes up with similarly dumb and exposed arguments?

What did he actually say that is 'clearly lies'?

He doesn't say that he believes drug tests catch all dopers. He says, and I quote:

“I hope that they catch all the dopers,” Nibali added. “If they catch another 10, I’d be pleased. It means the controls are in place and they are working.”

Now, maybe you don't believe he wants all dopers to be caught; but I'm not so sure it's 'clearly' a falsehood.

Are any of the attributed statements 'clearly lies', in fact:

“If people want to associate me with these cases, they don’t understand anything,” the Sicilian and 2014 Tour de France winner told Italy’s sports daily, La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“They are four idiots that have nothing to do with me.”

“The problem is certainly not mine. I think about myself and I have a clear conscience. I certainly can’t give answers for their problems,” Nibali said.

“Also, the two riders race for the continental team and I don’t even know who they are.

“Maxim Iglinskiy? In a team there are those you have to live with regardless. He was not part of my group and between us, there’s no link.”

Those latter two should be easy to test. I just don't know whether he knows them or not.

As for the others, I've already said I found the only other attributed statements in the article - those regarding the team and the sponsors laughable.

Perhaps I should have said 'what do you expect him to say' instead of 'what's he supposed to say'? But I'm not giving him undue latitude or getting him off the hook; this is just the predictable stuff they all come out with. As I said - on the juice or clean as a whistle, this is just predictable.

The trouble is, if you believe everyone is doping and cannot entertain a 1% anyone is clean, you start with the position that they are all lying from the outset. Given such a perspective, it's pointless for a rider to say anything at all because you wouldn't believe him unless he out and out confessed to doping or something similar.

If - and I said if - Nibali is not a doper, then all of the attributable statements are plausible, even if Ivan Basso was his boon companion and Vino is his manager.
 
Electress said:
it's pointless for a rider to say anything at all because you wouldn't believe him unless he out and out confessed to doping or something similar.

Depending on the circumstances behind his podiums, yes. The problem is the long history of cheats and liars gracing grand tour podiums since 1990-something make talk worthless.

And it's not like Nibali has some new message. Lots of plausible talkers before now too.
 
DirtyWorks said:
Depending on the circumstances behind his podiums, yes. The problem is the long history of cheats and liars gracing grand tour podiums since 1990-something make talk worthless.

And it's not like Nibali has some new message. Lots of plausible talkers before now too.

Which is why I don't tend to spend that much time in the Clinic.

Although I like the guy, I must admit the article doesn't make me think Nibali is the sharpest tool in the toolbox. Then again, constantly feeling the need to defend yourself must be a damn bore. even if you're guilty.
 
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Does anyone else think "if they catch another 10" could be taken to imply he knows about doping that goes on in the peloton?
 
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“The most recent events have nothing to do with us. This is the Astana WorldTour team, not Astana 2. I understand action has been taken. As far as I understand the Astana 2 team will be suspended and there'll be some changes. But Astana 2 is not the Astana WorldTour team. The only link to the Continental team was via Dmitriy Sedoun. He was the team manager of Astana 2 and directeur sportif with us. But he's been removed.”

“I don't even know what the three guys on the Continental look like. I don't know why they've done it. They were in a development team and had a chance of getting a place in the WorldTour team. My thought on it is that they were desperate to turn pro and get a good contract.”

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Netserk said:
Scarponi said:
Nibali why are you strong when my boy is out there grrrrr
They were supposed to have the UCI health tests on Sunday, but Astana convinced them to do them yesterday instead. At least that's what Fuglsang said yesterday.
My first thought when I heard that was that it would give them more room regarding the passport somehow.