Warning for Lance fans

[Mongol_Waaijer]

I got into road cycling just when Lance entered the picture; I recall the racing porno mags had a lot of articles about LA and his potiential to win the tdf; the other motorola guys got some press, but LA was pegged early on. I figured it was just marketing hype at the time- but pre cancer there was a lot of press about LAs potiential to become a champion racer. The expectations were high before each tour he entered.

He was already working with ferrari prior to cancer, and showing remarkable improvement. Hence the "potential"

Plus those porn mags always overhype the English speakers.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Lance made Dr Ferrari. Dr Ferrari did NOT make Lance.

If it were not for Lance, Dr Ferrari's claim to fame would be Evgeni Berzin

Wrong again! Just look at my post and the following of Runitout. Dr. Ferrari was "famous" well before and Epo-Lance needed his help desperately.

That you post half-truths, leave out facts which not fit your perspective, twist and deny reality is well documented in this thread alone.

I really wonder what happened to your synapses in the Pharmstrong-PR-Camp. Do they operate with lobotomy so that Fanboy-Trolls like you can blind out reality?

Btw, did you find the other 100 cyclists than Epo-Lance that won a meaningless TdF-Stage in the 2nd year (not 1st as you lied) as pro? Fell free and post them

 

[Race Radio]

Virenque, now there's a reputable character

When it comes to doping Virenque is an expert.

 

[SpeedWay]

hey guys,

i must have accidentally clicked on the wrong forum or something but i found this "professional road racing" forum in the road section on this site. it's pretty cool. like, did you know that there were other cyclists out there that seem like they might be pretty interesting to talk about? oh yeah...and i learned that there's this bike race going on in italy right now that seems like it might be pretty neat.

huh...italy. of all places. what'll they think of next?

You're interrupting the LA circle jerk. The "professional road racing" forum already has a LA circle jerk forum. It was only a matter of time before "the clinic" had one of it's own train wrecks as the de facto standard for spraying the walls white. You more than likely got on the little yellow bus instead of the big one to arrive here. As you probably figured out on the bus ride over the posters reciting the same old thing over and over and over again are "special" people. Like monkeys and apes, don't tease them as they get upset easily.

 

[Race Radio]

Foxxy, seriously - take a look at your list.
C'mon, you are trolling me right?

Are there any multiple Tour de France winners there? Heck no.
Are there any SINGLE Tour de France winners there? Nope sorry.
But Lance won one two three four five six seven.
Why is that?


Face it foxxy, Lance is the BEST thing that ever happened to Dr Ferrari.
The Doctor's vacation home on the beautiful island of Teneriffe is due to Lance.

Lance made Dr Ferrari. Dr Ferrari did NOT make Lance.

If it were not for Lance, Dr Ferrari's claim to fame would be Evgeni Berzin

Others have provided the big list, but don't forget Marco Pantani won the double with Ferrari's help.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dr Ferrari owes his fame to Lance MUCH more than vice versa.
Lance made Dr Ferrari famous.

Dr Ferrari the awesome TdF KingMaker....
But what other riders did he coach to become multiple TdF winners?
Answer - none. You wonder why?

MYTH - Lance was a Rich Donkey with an Exclusivity Clause.

Oh Pleeeze.

C'mon, Dr Fuentes has a much better record lol.

Ferrari already had a reputation, long before Lance.

When Dr. Eric Rijckaert was on the Festina team before 98 he was reffered to as 'Dr. Punto' because he wouldn't let the riders HCT go above 54%.

The wonderful creation that was the 1997 Fiat Punto!

 

[Archibald]

Do you remember the Olivia Newton John song, "I Honestly Love You?"

That should be the fanboy theme for this thread.

hahaha!! very true!
maybe KISS's "I was made for lovin' you"?


having read and chuckled at the handbags swinging, i think there's one thing that the "fan-boys (or girls)" need to realise regarding the "never tested positive" bit:
you're only "positive" if your r-EPO level (natural or synthetic) is above a certain number - you don't actually get a positive test for having an increased level or r-EPO...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You're interrupting the LA circle jerk. The "professional road racing" forum already has a LA circle jerk forum. It was only a matter of time before "the clinic" had one of it's own train wrecks as the de facto standard for spraying the walls white. You more than likely got on the little yellow bus instead of the big one to arrive here. As you probably figured out on the bus ride over the posters reciting the same old thing over and over and over again are "special" people. Like monkeys and apes, don't tease them as they get upset easily.

You must be very special then.

Amen. Let the post selection circle jerk begin..... Once again.

You've created a thread that pushed them past their usual circle jerk!

Also, the Livestrong bus is much bigger than your 'short bus' ....

.........take that cancer.

 

[frenchfry]

Virenque, now there's a reputable character

Surprise surprise, a "Lance is clean" proponent uses the trusty "who can trust a doper" talking point when a doper makes revelations about the truth.

Although I agree that Virenque is a total s*it.

 

[frenchfry]

Do you remember the Olivia Newton John song, "I Honestly Love You?"

That should be the fanboy theme for this thread.

You must be old. I was a big ONJ fan (not even Australian!) but that was ages and ages ago.

 

[BikeCentric]

Ferrari's claim to fame was 1994 Fleche Wallone. He was a legend well before Armstrong. Not just Berzin. Look at this list:
Paolo Savoldelli
Mario Cipollini
Gianni Bugno
Giorgio Furlan
Pavel Tonkov
Tony Rominger
Abraham Olano
Ivan Gotti
Claudio Chiappucci
Levi Leipheimer
Floyd Landis
Alexandre Vinokourov

7 other GT 'winners' by my count. There were rumours about Pantani as well; not sure if they have substance. Plenty there before Armstrong started paying dividends.

As Virenque said to Voet in 1996, "teaming up with Ferrari was like putting a saucepan up your backside: it was immediately obvious what you were doing.”

Indeed Pantani was documented as being doped by Ferrari and Conconi in the trial against Conconi in Italian court. Conconi's own records were introduced as evidence and showed a full doping schedule over many years. This is documented in "The Death of Marco Pantani" by Rendell.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Well Pantani was a fellow Italian so they were likely to move in the same endurance cycling circle.

Is it your point that Pantani had no talent either?

 

[BikeCentric]

TROLL ALERT

 

[Big Doopie]

uh, yeah, ferrari was way famous before armstrong, duh. why do you think armstrong knew to go to him? typical lance "rent boy" belief that everything started with The Fraud.

 

[Oncearunner8]

lance armstrong is the greatest bycycling rider ever in the whole worlds.

 

[buckwheat]

uh, yeah, ferrari was way famous before armstrong, duh. why do you think armstrong knew to go to him? typical lance "rent boy" belief that everything started with The Fraud.

Actually, Ferrari was so famous, LA needed an introduction from Merckx before Ferrari even considered it.

 

[buckwheat]

You must be old. I was a big ONJ fan (not even Australian!) but that was ages and ages ago.

Aside from the occasional heart attack, I feel as young as I ever have.









Not true, a stolen quote (Robert Benchley) but kind of funny.
I'm 45.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Actually, Ferrari was so famous, LA needed an introduction from Merckx before Ferrari even considered it.

You think Fan-Boys like Oncearunner8yearsoldbrain would ever unterstand such facts

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

What a strange thing for Eddie Merckx to do for such a terrible rider like Armstrong.

 

[Oncearunner8]

You think Fan-Boys like Oncearunner8yearsoldbrain would ever unterstand such facts

i have lances shammy cream rubbed all over my saddle. That stuff is a proven addition to the great bycylers power.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

i have lances shammy cream rubbed all over my saddle. That stuff is a proven addition to the great bycylers power.

That would be cortisoid cream I presume?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

i have lances shammy cream rubbed all over my saddle. That stuff is a proven addition to the great bycylers power.

And i thought, since polished boy said it, that light bikes and training hard is enough. Now i am shocked

 

[Big Doopie]

What a strange thing for Eddie Merckx to do for such a terrible rider like Armstrong.

since he was riding eddy merckx bikes at the time, eddy had a vested commercial interest in armstrong not having a terrible year like 1994.

 

[Polish]

Ferrari's claim to fame was 1994 Fleche Wallone. He was a legend well before Armstrong. Not just Berzin. Look at this list:
Paolo Savoldelli
Mario Cipollini
Gianni Bugno
Giorgio Furlan
Pavel Tonkov
Tony Rominger
Abraham Olano
Ivan Gotti
Claudio Chiappucci
Levi Leipheimer
Floyd Landis
Alexandre Vinokourov

7 other GT 'winners' by my count. There were rumours about Pantani as well; not sure if they have substance. Plenty there before Armstrong started paying dividends.

As Virenque said to Voet in 1996, "teaming up with Ferrari was like putting a saucepan up your backside: it was immediately obvious what you were doing.”

There is no doubt that Dr Ferrari helped those riders win some of their victories, but there is ZERO evidence to support the Myth that "Doping Transformed Lance into into a 7 Time TdF Winner"

Sweeping the podium at the Fleche for ONE day does not compare to winning the TdF one two three four five six seven times...150 days.

C'mon, Virenque won the King of the Moutains Jersey seven times.
He won Polka Dots BEFORE Ferrari, Polka Dots DURING Ferrari, and Polka Dots AFTER Ferrari.

And what part of Cipo's Illustrious Career was Doctor Ferrari Time?
How many of his record 42 Giro stage wins were won before Ferrari and how many were won after Ferrari?

Hello, evidence of EPIC DOPING TRANSFORMATIONS where are you?

Ok, I will give you Berzin.
He WAS a DONKEY that was transformed into a THOROUGHBRED.
But the Donkey TransFormations are sooo obvious.

But the Myth that "Doping Transformed Lance into into a 7 Time TdF Winner" is just plain laughable. Hardeeharhar.

Lance was AWESOME as an Amateur,
Lance was AWESOME as a Neo-Pro,
Lance was AWESOME before Ferrari,
Lance was AWESOME during Ferrari,
and Lance was AWESOME after he had to break up with Ferrari.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Lance was AWESOME as an Amateur,
Lance was AWESOME as a Neo-Pro,
Lance was AWESOME before Ferrari,
Lance was AWESOME during Ferrari,
and Lance was AWESOME after he had to break up with Ferrari.

... and he was AWESOME as a big time liar and doper.

... and he is AWESOME as a big time liar and doper.

When you bring the stats of the other 100 riders who won meaningless TdF-Stages in the 2nd Pro-Year?