Well done with the pro teams

[Parrulo]

I'd go so far as to claim that the only BMC rider who could have won the Volta a Portugal this year is Cadel Evans.

prolly that. also i can tell you that blanco had better domestiques then evans has with his best bmc squad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOElN-pCujo&feature=related

watch untill andre cardoso takes over. thats a real super domestique.


and for those that said the tour of swiss is better and harder then the volta. they should look for gibo's opinion on the volta. he said something like the volta is too hard to be a preparation race. he was actually somewhat mad for the difficult of the race and said he would never return lol prolly wanted some tour down under kind of race . . . fail

 

[auscyclefan94]

You can see from the name is Lux they are going to do awesome, not to give it to them would be silly, shack yer they shouldnt have got one expecally after choosing not to do the gero, sky have a decent team but new teams with great names should defs get protour...

Ok, but who are lux sending to the giro? I don't see a spectacular team going to that race... So is tosatto going to win them some stages? Come on...

 

[Reuell]

I guess that makes all of us, ignorant little cretins!

You can step down from your high horse and stop shouting like the ignorant little kid you behave.
Every team you just mentions has a better team for the Giro than your BMC line-up.
Face-it, even in 2011 BMC is nothing besides the likes of Evans, perhaps Burghardt and the Ballan of a few years back.

GEOX can name 9 names that are probably better than that line-up, perhaps besides Tschopp that is.

 

[Reuell]

Ok, but who are lux sending to the giro? I don't see a spectacular team going to that race... So is tosatto going to win them some stages? Come on...

Frank Schleck, Chris Anker Sorensen and perhaps Fuglsang?

I agree, not as powerfull as Murphy, Kohler and Wyss but still.......

 

[auscyclefan94]

I guess that makes all of us, ignorant little cretins!

You can step down from your high horse and stop shouting like the ignorant little kid you behave.
Every team you just mentions has a better team for the Giro than your BMC line-up.
Face-it, even in 2011 BMC is nothing besides the likes of Evans and perhaps Burghardt.

GEOX can name 9 names that are probably better than that line-up, perhaps besides Tschopp that is.

Name them...

It it does not make all of you because a few people agreed with me. Tell me who Blanco beat in this years Tour of Portugal?

Sinkewitz and Vicioso. Oh Wow!!!!!

 

[Marcus135]

Ok, but who are lux sending to the giro? I don't see a spectacular team going to that race... So is tosatto going to win them some stages? Come on...

At least they will send a team unlike some other team.... besides quite a lot of teams dont have a guy who can do well in a particular race for every race of the season... they just send a team.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Frank Schleck, Chris Anker Sorensen and perhaps Fuglsang?

I agree, not as powerfull as Murphy, Kohler and Wyss but still.......

We'll see how those guys go at the tour. The team wants fuglsang to help Andy at le tour. If he does the giro he will be ****ed for the tour and likewise with frank. Sorensen will go well and might win a stage.

 

[Reuell]

Juan Jose Cobo
Carlos Sastre
Denis Menchov
Fabio Duarte
Marko Kump
Mauricio Ardila
Dimitry Kozontchuk
David Blanco
David De La Fuente

to name a few

 

[auscyclefan94]

At least they will send a team unlike some other team.... besides quite a lot of teams dont have a guy who can do well in a particular race for every race of the season... they just send a team.

So why aren't people getting stuck into other teams? Probably the main reason is because I become ultra sensitive about BMC so it is an easy target.

We have the TLR and theyoungest who I have had a history of arguing with, we have mellow Velo who will cal BMC phonak but won't do that to any other team, then we have the others who like to join in on the fun because who will go against the crowd?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Juan Jose Cobo
Carlos Sastre
Denis Menchov
Fabio Duarte
Marko Kump
Mauricio Ardila
Dimitry Kozontchuk
David Blanco
David De La Fuente

to name a few

Name their cobbled classics team, name their sprinters, name their ardennes classic team... oh BMC owns them in all of those aspects.

btw, BMC don't rack up too badly in that depth department either, actually quite well!

 

[Parrulo]

Name them...

It it does not make all of you because a few people agreed with me. Tell me who Blanco beat in this yeras Tour of Portugal?

Sinkewitz and Vicioso. Oh Wow!!!!!

learn how to type first. then lets look at some names shall we?

2010:

Pto Dor Nome Nac Equipa hh:mm:ss
~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~
1º 1 BLANCO, David ESP PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI 40:23:01
2º 11 BERNABEU, David ESP BARBOT-SIPER a 37
3º 81 PARDILLA, Sergio ESP CARMIOORO-NGC a 01:49
4º 71 SINKEWITZ, Patrik GER ISD-NERI a 01:56
5º 33 BROCO, Hernani POR LA- ROTA DOS MOVEIS a 02:06
6º 14 SOUSA, Rui POR BARBOT-SIPER a 02:29
7º 31 SABIDO, Hugo POR LA- ROTA DOS MOVEIS a 03:54
8º 4 MESTRE, Ricardo POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 04:41
9º 5 CARDOSO, Andre POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 04:44
10º 96 RODRIGUES, Victor POR CAJA RURAL a 04:52


2009

1º 15 RIBEIRO, Nuno POR LIBERTY SEGUROS 41:10:22
2º 1 BLANCO, David ESP PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 01:24
3º 44 BERNABEU, David ESP BARBOT-SIPER a 01:36
4º 13 PLAZA, Ruben ESP LIBERTY SEGUROS a 02:08
5º 51 CABREIRA, Joäo POR C.C.LOULÉ- LOULETANO a 02:53
6º 52 JIMENEZ, Eladio ESP C.C.LOULÉ- LOULETANO a 03:08
7º 31 MACHADO, Tiago POR MADEINOX BOAVISTA a 03:22
8º 3 VITORINO, Nelson POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 04:20
9º 6 CARDOSO, Andre POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 05:12
10º 131 SINKEWITZ, Patrik GER PSK WHIRLPOOL-AUTHOR a 06:13

since ribeiro was banned blanco won.

2008

Pos Nome País Equipa Tempo
1 David Blanco Espanha Palmeiras Resort Tavira 39:06:20"
2 Héctor Guerra Espanha Liberty Seguros a 52
3 Koldo Gil Espanha Liberty Seguros a 02:43
4 Rui Sousa Portugal Liberty Seguros a 02:49
5 Ruben Plaza Espanha Sport Lisboa e Benfica - Lagos Bike a 03:24
6 Juan José Cobo Espanha Scott-American Beef a 03:37
7 Francisco Mancebo Espanha Fercase-Rota dos Móveis a 04:09
8 Cândido Barbosa Portugal Sport Lisboa e Benfica - Lagos Bike a 04:46
9 Daniel Martin Irlanda Garmin Chipotle a 05:25
10 Santiago Perez Espanha Centro de Ciclismo de Loulé a 05:32


hardly bad competition. ofc the mighty bmc would just destroy them. prolly by **** raping all of the riders overnight so they couldn't sit on the saddle the following day.

 

[Reuell]

Name their cobbled classics team, name their sprinters, name their ardennes classic team... oh BMC owns them in all of those aspects.

btw, BMC don't rack up too badly in that depth department either, actually quite well!

Some teams are allround, others specialized (HTC, Geox, Movistar, Quick Step)
Perhaps BMC is more allround, except for their Grand Tour line-up.
All in all, the only thing that got them their ticket to the World Tour is their money and the network of Rhiis.
Not their team, compaired to others.


And some people don't join for fun.
They just can't stand ignorance

 

[Parrulo]

i have 1 more thing to add.


ITS BETTER TO BE GOOD AT SOMETHING THEN TO BE CRAPPY AT EVERYTHING

 

[adamski101]

So why aren't people getting stuck into other teams? Probably the main reason is because I become ultra sensitive about BMC so it is an easy target.We have the TLR and theyoungest who I have had a history of arguing with, we have mellow Velo who will cal BMC phonak but won't do that to any other team, then we have the others who like to join in on the fun because who will go against the crowd?

Maybe if you didn't get so sensitive about them, then people wouldn't lay into you so much??

All of this is subjective, the Giro is over 5 months away. No one on this forum really knows who will be riding it, let alone being able to name all 22 teams 9 man squads. BMC will not be alone in sending a second string (or third string) team to the Giro. To be honest I can only see the italians teams sending anything resembling their A list squads.

Fact is you can't send a team to every race that will have someone in it who is capable of winning.

So it seems pointless to argue whether Geox would send a better team to Giro than BMC and on the other side of the coin that BMC would have a stronget classics team than Geox.

Geox have built their squad with stage races and GT's in mind, where BMC (and at the risk of incurring ACF wrath) have built their team around the classics (Evans apart).

I personally think it is a shame that Geox did not get a licence, but I think they will still get invited to all the races that they want to go to so it shouldn't hurt them too much.

 

[auscyclefan94]

learn how to type first. then lets look at some names shall we?

2010:

Pto Dor Nome Nac Equipa hh:mm:ss
~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~
1º 1 BLANCO, David ESP PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI 40:23:01
2º 11 BERNABEU, David ESP BARBOT-SIPER a 37
3º 81 PARDILLA, Sergio ESP CARMIOORO-NGC a 01:49
4º 71 SINKEWITZ, Patrik GER ISD-NERI a 01:56
5º 33 BROCO, Hernani POR LA- ROTA DOS MOVEIS a 02:06
6º 14 SOUSA, Rui POR BARBOT-SIPER a 02:29
7º 31 SABIDO, Hugo POR LA- ROTA DOS MOVEIS a 03:54
8º 4 MESTRE, Ricardo POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 04:41
9º 5 CARDOSO, Andre POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 04:44
10º 96 RODRIGUES, Victor POR CAJA RURAL a 04:52


2009

1º 15 RIBEIRO, Nuno POR LIBERTY SEGUROS 41:10:22
2º 1 BLANCO, David ESP PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 01:24
3º 44 BERNABEU, David ESP BARBOT-SIPER a 01:36
4º 13 PLAZA, Ruben ESP LIBERTY SEGUROS a 02:08
5º 51 CABREIRA, Joäo POR C.C.LOULÉ- LOULETANO a 02:53
6º 52 JIMENEZ, Eladio ESP C.C.LOULÉ- LOULETANO a 03:08
7º 31 MACHADO, Tiago POR MADEINOX BOAVISTA a 03:22
8º 3 VITORINO, Nelson POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 04:20
9º 6 CARDOSO, Andre POR PALMEIRAS RESORT-PRI a 05:12
10º 131 SINKEWITZ, Patrik GER PSK WHIRLPOOL-AUTHOR a 06:13

since ribeiro was banned blanco won.

2008

Pos Nome País Equipa Tempo
1 David Blanco Espanha Palmeiras Resort Tavira 39:06:20"
2 Héctor Guerra Espanha Liberty Seguros a 52
3 Koldo Gil Espanha Liberty Seguros a 02:43
4 Rui Sousa Portugal Liberty Seguros a 02:49
5 Ruben Plaza Espanha Sport Lisboa e Benfica - Lagos Bike a 03:24
6 Juan José Cobo Espanha Scott-American Beef a 03:37
7 Francisco Mancebo Espanha Fercase-Rota dos Móveis a 04:09
8 Cândido Barbosa Portugal Sport Lisboa e Benfica - Lagos Bike a 04:46
9 Daniel Martin Irlanda Garmin Chipotle a 05:25
10 Santiago Perez Espanha Centro de Ciclismo de Loulé a 05:32


hardly bad competition. ofc the mighty bmc would just destroy them. prolly by **** raping all of the riders overnight so they couldn't sit on the saddle the following day.

2008
Koldo Gil who was clearly on the decline
Mancebo coming back from a doping suspension.
A young dan martin (neo pro)
Ruben plaza who was coming back from a doping suspension that year.
Juan jose cobo who would of killed the competition if he had the form

2009
Very young Tiago Machado
Sinkewitz coming back from a doping suspension
Ruben Plaza who was riding for a very small team would of not raced in many significant races before then to get some sort of form.

2010
Sinkewitz and Vicioso were his only significant competition...wow!

Quite average competition.
don't understand comment about typing?

 

[Ferminal]

learn how to type first. then lets look at some names shall we?

Is that really necessary?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Maybe if you didn't get so sensitive about them, then people wouldn't lay into you so much??

All of this is subjective, the Giro is over 5 months away. No one on this forum really knows who will be riding it, let alone being able to name all 22 teams 9 man squads. BMC will not be alone in sending a second string (or third string) team to the Giro. To be honest I can only see the italians teams sending anything resembling their A list squads.

Fact is you can't send a team to every race that will have someone in it who is capable of winning.

So it seems pointless to argue whether Geox would send a better team to Giro than BMC and on the other side of the coin that BMC would have a stronget classics team than Geox.

Geox have built their squad with stage races and GT's in mind, where BMC (and at the risk of incurring ACF wrath) have built their team around the classics (Evans apart).

I personally think it is a shame that Geox did not get a licence, but I think they will still get invited to all the races that they want to go to so it shouldn't hurt them too much.

Probably a fair comment. I do get a bit heated about BMC but this does not mean others can't accept lame for being always a bit harsh on bmc just to annoy me.

 

[hrotha]

Name their cobbled classics team, name their sprinters, name their ardennes classic team... oh BMC owns them in all of those aspects.

btw, BMC don't rack up too badly in that depth department either, actually quite well!

Stop talking as if BMC had strong sprinters. Their sprinters are roughly on par with Footon's at best. Hell no, wait, Footon had better sprinters this year.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Ok, but who are lux sending to the giro? I don't see a spectacular team going to that race... So is tosatto going to win them some stages? Come on...

I agree with this. A number of teams will choose to send understrength squads to the Giro and, my guess is Team Lux will be a prime culprit.
My general point is that the GT organisers and the UCI are still quibbling over the numbers 17 and 18.
As a result, I believe we will see the same scenario as with RS, this year.

The team who really should be taking issue with this scheme, but appear ambivalent, is Cofidis.

Name them...

It it does not make all of you because a few people agreed with me. Tell me who Blanco beat in this yeras Tour of Portuagal?

Sinkewitz and Vicioso. Oh Wow!!!!!

Andrei Kasheskin was Lampre's leader this year, Damiano Cunego last year, to name but 2.
I don't think your lads come close to their calibre.
Next, you attack Blanco's age, but that can't be a factor unless you are prepared to write off the likes of Hincapie and Kroon.

I would check out Duarte's palmares, if I were you.

 

[Parrulo]

Is that really necessary?

yes its not that hard to type Portugal correctly.

also ACF i like the way you analised those voltas. clearly you know nothing about the volta. i only hope libertine sees this as he can express himself much better then i can. if you read what he says your opinion might change. then again you clearly listen to no1 so. . .

Stop talking as if BMC had strong sprinters. Their sprinters are roughly on par with Footon's at best. Hell no, wait, Footon had better sprinters this year.

cardoso is better then any of the bmc sprinters. no doubt about it.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Stop talking as if BMC had strong sprinters. Their sprinters are roughly on par with Footon's at best. Hell no, wait, Footon had better sprinters this year.

Never have said that... Dom't make incorrect accusations without correct evidence.

BMC have kristoff, van avermaet and quinziato

Geox have...ummmmmm....ummmmm....ummmmm

 

[Moondance]

To get away from the BMC Holy War a bit, Biciciclismo has a story this morning about the UCI preparing to announce a deal that gives all 18 World Tour teams guaranteed starts in all three GTs, over and above what McQuaid has said already.

If this is so, Geox will really have to pass through the eye of the needle to get GT starts, and a team like Pegasus will probably miss out entirely.

 

[adamski101]

Is that really necessary?

+ 1. Not necessary at all.

 

[Ferminal]

yes its not that hard to type Portugal correctly.
.

It's not difficult to use capital letters at the beginning of each sentence either!

Point being you shouldn't need to resort to questioning people's typing in order to invalidate their argument.

If this is so, Geox will really have to pass through the eye of the needle to get GT starts, and a team like Pegasus will probably miss out entirely.

Geox would only possibly struggle to get the Giro invite wouldn't they?

 

[auscyclefan94]

To get away from the BMC Holy War a bit, Biciciclismo has a story this morning about the UCI preparing to announce a deal that gives all 18 World Tour teams guaranteed starts in all three GTs, over and above what McQuaid has said already.

If this is so, Geox will really have to pass through the eye of the needle to get GT starts, and a team like Pegasus will probably miss out entirely.

I guess that is a shame for pegasus, especially for mcewen.