Why are UK riders now more successful?

[Catwhoorg]

Thats what 8 climbs up the volcano in a 2 week span ?

Not counting any other days altitude, so probably 6-7 in reality.

 

[spetsa]

if you can't beat them join them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9283386/Bradley-Wiggins-reveals-Team-Skys-explosive-secret-that-has-put-him-in-contention-for-Tour-de-France.html

Seems Fuentes Territory is perfect for Wiggins just like Vino

+1
In am sure that Sky"s official stance will fall somewhere along the lines of " It's a wonderful place to bring the family along for training."

Any word on who is there with him?

 

[roundabout]

Thats what 8 climbs up the volcano in a 2 week span ?

Not counting any other days altitude, so probably 6-7 in reality.

No, the road doesn't go higher than about 2300 meters.

 

[DirtyWorks]

+1
In am sure that Sky"s official stance will fall somewhere along the lines of " It's a wonderful place to bring the family along for training."

Any word on who is there with him?

Dr. Fuentes appears to be nearby.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.laopinion.es/deportes/2011/03/07/eufemiano-fuentes-nuevo-medico-universidad/333522.html&ei=Thm9T6zEJOGWiQKYsMSBDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CGMQ7gEwBw&prev=/search?q=Eufemiano+Fuentes+tenerife&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=jXv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=803&prmd=imvnso

Rumors remain that Ferrari has a presence there, but I'm not aware of any references that place him there like the Fuentes link above.

 

[2008885]

if you can't beat them join them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/9283386/Bradley-Wiggins-reveals-Team-Skys-explosive-secret-that-has-put-him-in-contention-for-Tour-de-France.html

Seems Fuentes Territory is perfect for Wiggins just like Vino

What do you mean?

 

[Hugh Januss]

What do you mean?

He means Wigans is not working with Ferrari.

 

[2008885]

He means Wigans is not working with Ferrari.

I see. Is he not able to make a clear statement??

 

[Benotti69]

+1
In am sure that Sky"s official stance will fall somewhere along the lines of " It's a wonderful place to bring the family along for training."

Any word on who is there with him?

Michael Rogers, Chris Froome, Konstantin Siutsou, Christian Knees and Richie Porte team mates.

Dont know how many doctors or pharmacists, but the island is probably crawling with the creatures.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I see. Is he not able to make a clear statement??

Well it seemed clear enough to me. Did somebody forget to take his smart pills?

 

[BroDeal]

He means Wigans is not working with Ferrari.

Who needs Dr. Ferrari when Mick Rogers is there to pass along his hard earned knowledge?

It would be fun to listen to Millar and Rogers talk to each other about world time trialing championships.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It seems like every so often the "cycling is clean except for a few bad apples" crowd step outside the circle of the wagon train and try to go on the offensive.

 

[Jeremiah]

He means Wigans is not working with Ferrari.

Just curious. What's Wigans height and current weight?

 

[Catwhoorg]

No, the road doesn't go higher than about 2300 meters.

Thanks.

So basically a daily ride up the road then. Probably double it up some days and just 'sea level' work the other days.
100 000 M over 3 camps sure sounds like a lot, but its not that crazy an amount.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Just curious. What's Wigans height and current weight?

Don't remember. You could google that, but remember to use the alternative spelling, Wiggins.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Officially listed by Sky as 190 cm and 69kg.

He races the Tour at less than that for sure.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

On the Telegraph's Bradley Wiggins exclusive photo gallery

He seems slightly at odds with his team mates, like in:

#2 where he seems to have been dropped
#9 where he seems to have dropped Sky.

Meanwhile the one below seems a bit like a Wigstrong pose

 

[spetsa]

Michael Rogers, Chris Froome, Konstantin Siutsou, Christian Knees and Richie Porte team mates.

Dont know how many doctors or pharmacists, but the island is probably crawling with the creatures.

Thanks. Froome was the one that I was curious about. I am sure that we will see miracles come July. Oh yeah, I forgot....he is just an emerging talent.

 

[blackcat]

in order

1 economics
2 Brailsford (respect)
3 Wiggins
4 track program
5 catchment

 

[blackcat]

helps that they are a tunnel ride away from the continent.

I give DB respect for the professionalism he inculcated at GB cycling. Dont buy too much into his talking point re: "The aggregation of marginal gains." Just weasal word burt speak.

They are professional. enough said about that. Two elements to the professionalism. One appropriate forum here.

Wiggins was not a great rider on the road before he turned it on at the Giro with Chipotle.

And most of the current crop, where coming thru the system before he won his gold in Athens.

They will be the number one team, within a decade, because they have the economics and the pipeline. Think Tmobile Germany with Ullrich.

So respect to that. But lets not kid ourselves, they dont play the game the way others do, because they do the same.

Ethics dont matter in cycling, only one thing matters in professional sport. The win. Even more so than the amateur Olympic era, because it allowed the athletes with resources to marshall economics in their favour. If Armstrong was a ruthless alpha sociopath from slovenia, he never would have been able to position himself in the marketplace with a cancer narrative, and to use the economic resources to underwrite his champion career.

 

[andy1234]

Tens of thousands of European cyclists have been travelling to Tenerife for training camps before Armstrong had even realised Europe existed.

Its cheap, has very little traffic, good climate, and has a steady gradient 2000+m climb.

If I wanted a place under the radar, to dope in private, I wouldn't go to the place that most peope associate with Ferrari.
If I wanted an ideal training environment, I certainly would.

 

[Benotti69]

A remote location with an empty hotel means lots of things. They can do what they want with no one watching and the can see very quickly if anyone arrives.

TeamSky are doing what other teams who have used this operation, doping preparation.

"Training hard to race easy", boy does that scream PEDing the training to get the bodies ability up to race better and not test positive because the PEDs have been used to train the body beyond its natural limit.

Lemond tried that without the PEDs and rode himself to exhaustion.

 

[slowspoke]

Tens of thousands of European cyclists have been travelling to Tenerife for training camps before Armstrong had even realised Europe existed.

Its cheap, has very little traffic, good climate, and has a steady gradient 2000+m climb.

If I wanted a place under the radar, to dope in private, I wouldn't go to the place that most peope associate with Ferrari.
If I wanted an ideal training environment, I certainly would.

Not just Ferrari....

http://www.tenerife-training.net/Foro-Ciclismo/viewtopic.php?p=418#418

 

[andy1234]

A remote location with an empty hotel means lots of things. They can do what they want with no one watching and the can see very quickly if anyone arrives.

TeamSky are doing what other teams who have used this operation, doping preparation.
"Training hard to race easy", boy does that scream PEDing the training to get the bodies ability up to race better and not test positive because the PEDs have been used to train the body beyond its natural limit.

Lemond tried that without the PEDs and rode himself to exhaustion.

Links please?

 

[andy1234]

Not just Ferrari....

http://www.tenerife-training.net/Foro-Ciclismo/viewtopic.php?p=418#418

Exactly.
Hardly a place to stay under the radar.

 

[Benotti69]

Links please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2TVUiahoJI

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6106/Arrests-made-in-Spanish-Clenbuterol-investigation-in-Gran-Canaria-and-Tenerife.aspx

"Gran Canaria and Tenerife are popular training locations for professional cyclists due to the terrain and possibility of altitude training on the latter. The alleged doping doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, who was at the epicentre of the Operación Puerto doping affair, lives in Gran Canaria."