Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[blackcat]

Are you saying it's perfectly normal for an elite to suffer mid-pack most of their career then, like a rocket, hit the podium? Because it's not.

and a professional rider fit man, lost ~circa ten% of his bodyweight?

 

[The Hitch]

What is the doping evidence beyond "he was packfill and then he won the tour", "he was successful as a cyclist and beat other guys who have been popped for doping only a doper could do that" "he spoke admiringly about LA" "went form going off on doping @ Christian Moreni time at Cofidis to the bone idle ****ers speech" "he rode for Garmin" "he rode for team Sky" actually I' have convinced myself but that doesn't qualify as evidence unless this is bizarro world or Orwell's 1984.
5.4.3.2.1 "this isn't a court of law" reply.

Yeah I suppose Wiggins losing all his weight without losing an ounce of power, the year that a drug that allows athletes to lose all their weight without losing all their power hit the market is totally not evidence either. Even though its scientifically impossible to undergo that process without doping.

Its basically like saying that there is no proof people who end up with 60% hematocrits are doping. There's no logical other way they could achieve it, BUT they haven't been caught with the drugs so one can't say they used them.

 

[42x16ss]

What is the doping evidence beyond "he was packfill and then he won the tour", "he was successful as a cyclist and beat other guys who have been popped for doping only a doper could do that" "he spoke admiringly about LA" "went form going off on doping @ Christian Moreni time at Cofidis to the bone idle ****ers speech" "he rode for Garmin" "he rode for team Sky" actually I' have convinced myself but that doesn't qualify as evidence unless this is bizarro world or Orwell's 1984.
5.4.3.2.1 "this isn't a court of law" reply.

By that logic Valverde and Basso are cleans. No one has ever proved they re-infused those blood bags and they've never failed a test...

 

[sniper]

Yeah I suppose Wiggins losing all his weight without losing an ounce of power, the year that a drug that allows athletes to lose all their weight without losing all their power hit the market is totally not evidence either. Even though its scientifically impossible to undergo that process without doping.

and not only not losing power, but gaining power, it appeared.

Its basically like saying that there is no proof people who end up with 60% hematocrits are doping. There's no logical other way they could achieve it, BUT they haven't been caught with the drugs so one can't say they used them.

good analogy.

I could imagine a passport measuring weight and power output at several points throughout the season could be quite an accurate tool to establish doping or at least establish who requires targeting.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I could imagine a passport measuring weight and power output at several points throughout the season could be quite an accurate tool to establish doping or at least establish who requires targeting.

Would take some tuning up, but that's probably the next evolution of the bio-passport.

The key problem is that it is natural and normal for a performance level to peak and trough throughout a season.

With suitable groundwork you can predict where the rise and fall is expected though.
Its hard, but certainly seems to be plausible.

Shown this before, but its the VO2 max estimate derived from my races.
2010 was the year I started this current getting in shape, but you can see whilst there has been improvement annually in the best results, it really has been a slow rate of increase of the bets of each year since 2011.

Within each year its very noisy which is what I would expect. From anyone's data.

Of course a hobby jogger versus professional athlete is always a dodgy comparison but the idea has merit

 

[Nick C.]

Yeah I suppose Wiggins losing all his weight without losing an ounce of power, the year that a drug that allows athletes to lose all their weight without losing all their power hit the market is totally not evidence either. Even though its scientifically impossible to undergo that process without doping.

Its basically like saying that there is no proof people who end up with 60% hematocrits are doping. There's no logical other way they could achieve it, BUT they haven't been caught with the drugs so one can't say they used them.

eh I guess I was arguing semantics. As you note it is all circumstantial. If I was trying to put out evidence I might name the "drug that hit the market" and the year. I can't say I follow the minutiae of these matters as much as others , nor read every thread here religiously so feel free to share.

 

[Benotti69]

eh I guess I was arguing semantics. As you note it is all circumstantial. If I was trying to put out evidence I might name the "drug that hit the market" and the year. I can't say I follow the minutiae of these matters as much as others , nor read every thread here religiously so feel free to share.

Then try and get into the marginal gains of the clinic, the results are terrifying.

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

I could imagine a passport measuring weight and power output at several points throughout the season could be quite an accurate tool to establish doping or at least establish who requires targeting.

Sounds like something Kerrison would be quite good at.

 

[42x16ss]

and not only not losing power, but gaining power, it appeared.

good analogy.

I could imagine a passport measuring weight and power output at several points throughout the season could be quite an accurate tool to establish doping or at least establish who requires targeting.

You would have to be careful with the application of something like this though, as genuine peaks and troughs on form would have to be accounted for. Not everyone can carry a 5 month peak like Wigans and Froome in 2012/13.

Even Contador had to stop and take a few weeks off racing in 2009 when he was climbing like a ICBM

 

[thehog]

Sounds like something Kerrison would be quite good at.

Adding up numbers? Not sure he can even do that.

 

[blackcat]

Adding up numbers? Not sure he can even do that.

he can row a rowboat tho.

not quite the facility of sir steve redgrave but

 

[Benotti69]

So UCI will break their rules for Wiggo just like they did for Armstrong......even after CIRC said it was wrong!

 

[Anonymous]

Re:

So UCI will break their rules for Wiggo just like they did for Armstrong......even after CIRC said it was wrong!

Not quite the same. Armstrong was allowed to participate without having been in the testing pool for long enough. This is just allowing Wiggo to change teams before the window.

 

[Benotti69]

Breaking rules is breaking rules. Why have rules for riders when they then ignore them?

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Breaking rules is breaking rules. Why have rules for riders when they then ignore them?

insiders rules no rules v outsiders rules for the spectators/see:consumers. #teamARGYLE

 

[Catwhoorg]

Even in some place as regulated as the premier league you *can* if you show need get a transfer/loan outside the normal window.

Usually related to goalkeeper injuries, but it does happen occasionally.

 

[roundabout]

Was there some rule that prevented Wiggins from being contracted with Sky until June?

Or did he want to ride Yorkshire for his team rules be damned?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Re: Re:

So UCI will break their rules for Wiggo just like they did for Armstrong......even after CIRC said it was wrong!

Not quite the same. Armstrong was allowed to participate without having been in the testing pool for long enough. This is just allowing Wiggo to change teams before the window.

It's because he IS Armstrong

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

It's because he IS Armstrong

just because you love a person doesn't mean you become that person.

 

[samhocking]

Clearly a rider wanting to drop two levels from World Tour to Continental is not the reason the rules exist. Obviously you need rules when riders are transferring between teams at the same level, but I don't think Wiggins transferring to his new little Continental Team Wiggo for TofY will be affecting any teams ranking at World Tour level lol! Good on UCI for applying common sense!

 

[DirtyWorks]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/m ... ix-classic

He's been pretty average to below average for a few weeks now.
-DNS Challenge Mallorca,
-75th at Qatar
-44th at Niuewsblad,
-DNS Paris Nice,
-DNS E3 and
-DNF Ghent-Whelgem (let's be fair, that was extreme and miserable for all)

 

[the sceptic]

Re:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/30/bradley-wiggins-history-paris-roubaix-classic

He's been pretty average to below average for a few weeks now.
-DNS Challenge Mallorca,
-75th at Qatar
-44th at Niuewsblad,
-DNS Paris Nice,
-DNS E3 and
-DNF Ghent-Whelgem (let's be fair, that was extreme and miserable for all)

Everyone knows the key to winning big races is to be an unknown gruppetto rider for a long time so this seems like the perfect preparation.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Minor point for accuracy

He DNF P-N
He did do the 1st 6 stages, and didn't do the Col D'eze. He was 12th in the short 1st ITT

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Re:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/mar/30/bradley-wiggins-history-paris-roubaix-classic

He's been pretty average to below average for a few weeks now.
-DNS Challenge Mallorca,
-75th at Qatar
-44th at Niuewsblad,
-DNS Paris Nice,
-DNS E3 and
-DNF Ghent-Whelgem (let's be fair, that was extreme and miserable for all)

Nah, lets not be fair, we're talking about Wigans...

 

[bobbins]

Re:

Clearly a rider wanting to drop two levels from World Tour to Continental is not the reason the rules exist. Obviously you need rules when riders are transferring between teams at the same level, but I don't think Wiggins transferring to his new little Continental Team Wiggo for TofY will be affecting any teams ranking at World Tour level lol! Good on UCI for applying common sense!

Except UCI rules forbid 2 teams with the same sponsor being in the same race. I guess they have turned a blind eye to that rule too.