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A number of UK outlets have written about Leinders over the years. You and others just couldn't be bothered to read them or more likely intentionally ignored it.
Daly referenced the quote from Wiggins about taking no injections and the timing of his TUEs. Plus Sky's hiring of Leinders and their breach of ZTP in doing so. Michele Verroken got good questioning on the abuse of TUEs. This didn't portray Wiggins and Sky in good light.
Benotti69 said:
A number of UK outlets have written about Leinders over the years. You and others just couldn't be bothered to read them or more likely intentionally ignored it.
Daly referenced the quote from Wiggins about taking no injections and the timing of his TUEs. Plus Sky's hiring of Leinders and their breach of ZTP in doing so. Michele Verroken got good questioning on the abuse of TUEs. This didn't portray Wiggins and Sky in good light.
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Link them.
Kimmage has written about it. Brendan Gallagher had a pop at Sky in the telegraph once then became a fanboy. Jeremy Whittle in Scotland has been critical but not overly.
That accusation of intentional ignorance is pathetic, even by your standards.
gooner said:
Link them.
Kimmage has written about it. Brendan Gallagher had a pop at Sky in the telegraph once then became a fanboy. Jeremy Whittle in Scotland has been critical but not overly.
That accusation of intentional ignorance is pathetic, even by your standards.
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Very interesting to see yourself reference Knaven multiple times but refuse to mention now the media outlet which disclosed it (Daily Mail).
JTL, Leinders, hiring of Rogers, Froome's TUE, Froome and Porte going to motoman's bike shop, Matt Dickinson in Brailsford bad books after asking about the USPS soigneur, Barry and Tramadol(main headline back page of The Times), etc.
I wouldn't just say this with Sky either, it was the same with Radcliffe and Farah. In the case of Radcliffe, Ben Rumsby had that story the previous year about a top athlete with suspicious blood values and it was completely ignored around here. The use of parliament privilege at that inquiry to imply that it was her was as a result of the Sunday Times work. Paul Kelso said she was questioned by the British media for months before her name went public. Mark Daly and the BBC had the program about Farah and Salazar.
You would never think it with any of the above around here.
That you totally dismissed Mark Daly's report tonight without even watching it, adds further evidence to being willfully ignorant.
Benotti69 said:
Very interesting to see yourself reference Knaven multiple times but refuse to mention now the media outlet which disclosed it (Daily Mail).
JTL, Leinders, hiring of Rogers, Froome's TUE, Froome and Porte going to motoman's bike shop, Matt Dickinson in Brailsford bad books after asking about the USPS soigneur, Barry and Tramadol(main headline back page of The Times), etc.
I wouldn't just say this with Sky either, it was the same with Radcliffe and Farah. In the case of Radcliffe, Ben Rumsby had that story the previous year about a top athlete with suspicious blood values and it was completely ignored around here. The use of parliament privilege at that inquiry to imply that it was her was as a result of the Sunday Times work. Paul Kelso said she was questioned by the British media for months before her name went public. Mark Daly and the BBC had the program about Farah and Salazar.
You would never think it with any of the above around here.
That you totally dismissed Mark Daly's report tonight without even watching it, adds further evidence to being willfully ignorant.
We've had to endure more than enough bucket level cheerleading from the british press.
Daly and Rumsby are exceptions that confirm the rule. We should be worried about the british press ignoring their work. Not about the Clinic.
Knaven and Dejongh being dopers was well known in 1998 when they got their asses busted and tested positive.
That Rumsby or whoever at the Daily mail wrote a piece about that in 2013 is laudable, but indeed a tadbit late with all respect.
Daly and Rumsby are exceptions that confirm the rule. We should be worried about the british press ignoring their work. Not about the Clinic.
Knaven and Dejongh being dopers was well known in 1998 when they got their asses busted and tested positive.
That Rumsby or whoever at the Daily mail wrote a piece about that in 2013 is laudable, but indeed a tadbit late with all respect.
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I am very sad to learn that asthma so blights Bradley Wiggins' life. It just shows exactly how good BC/Sky have been in maximising marginal gains everywhere, in overcoming this dsiadvantage. What with that and training and wanting it more, they have discovered a trinity of things that other teams can't even dream about.
Can somebody more skilled than me post up the picture of Wiggins in his retro GB kit having a *** in the track centre. His close friend and special mentor Sutton was always partial to a *** as well.
In news elsewhere, the NHS is seeking ways to restrict access of smokers to free medical support on the basis that why try and fix these people when they are doing so much harm to themselves.
Can somebody more skilled than me post up the picture of Wiggins in his retro GB kit having a *** in the track centre. His close friend and special mentor Sutton was always partial to a *** as well.
In news elsewhere, the NHS is seeking ways to restrict access of smokers to free medical support on the basis that why try and fix these people when they are doing so much harm to themselves.
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Its been 17 years since Armstrong won his first Tour.
Its been 4 years since Wiggins and 3 since Froome.
4 years after Armstrong won the Tour he and his competitors had not yet been banned. In fact they were in the middle of a new post festina clean era
Guys, I know its difficult for some of you but do please attempt to think things through a few times before hitting "submit".
PS, Lance also retired without a ban.
Twice.
So did dozens of other dopers. JV. Indurain. Mercxk etc.
samhocking said:
Its been 17 years since Armstrong won his first Tour.
Its been 4 years since Wiggins and 3 since Froome.
4 years after Armstrong won the Tour he and his competitors had not yet been banned. In fact they were in the middle of a new post festina clean era
Guys, I know its difficult for some of you but do please attempt to think things through a few times before hitting "submit".
PS, Lance also retired without a ban.
Twice.
So did dozens of other dopers. JV. Indurain. Mercxk etc.
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But Sutton has always sheltered his riders:
Freddythefrog said:
But Sutton has always sheltered his riders:
Under Sutton no rider strays from the path.
'In a statement, a spokesman for Wiggins said: “Brad’s passing comment regarding needles in the 2012 book referred to the historic and illegal practice of intravenous injections of performance-enhancing substances, which was the subject of a law change by (world cycling’s governing body) the UCI in 2011.
“The triamcinolone injection that is referred to in the Wada leaks is an intramuscular treatment for asthma and is fully approved by the sport’s governing bodies. Brad stands by his comment concerning the use of illegal intravenous needle injections.” '
Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/bradley-wiggins-rubbishes-links-to-controversial-belgian-doctor-1.2795366?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
So, Wiggins no needles comment means no needles apart from when he needed needles.
“The triamcinolone injection that is referred to in the Wada leaks is an intramuscular treatment for asthma and is fully approved by the sport’s governing bodies. Brad stands by his comment concerning the use of illegal intravenous needle injections.” '
Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/bradley-wiggins-rubbishes-links-to-controversial-belgian-doctor-1.2795366?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
So, Wiggins no needles comment means no needles apart from when he needed needles.
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Gooner , Gooner , Gooner. Always defending the skydopers! Attacking me about Mark Daly when i posted before it was broadcast.
back to the topic of Wiggins thread.
Wiggins has made a statement today "Brad has no direct link to Geert Leinders."
Wiggins 2012 autobiography "We need guys like Geert Leinders."
Wiggins lying, well that's not a surprise from a doper.
been here, seen that, wont buy the rapha t-shirt.......
gooner said:
Gooner , Gooner , Gooner. Always defending the skydopers! Attacking me about Mark Daly when i posted before it was broadcast.
back to the topic of Wiggins thread.
Wiggins has made a statement today "Brad has no direct link to Geert Leinders."
Wiggins 2012 autobiography "We need guys like Geert Leinders."
Wiggins lying, well that's not a surprise from a doper.
been here, seen that, wont buy the rapha t-shirt.......
LOL. A certain someone who I won't name and who has been at the forefront of promoting the clean generation is shocked and somewhat ticked about Wiggins getting injections a few days before the Giro and has concluded Wiggins was doping, just like other, more cynical people were telling him. Now he is blathering on about how he will call Sky's sponsors and explain that the team is cheating. You might think the insiders could see the obvious but they can be just as deluded as the rubes who believe everything the talking heads say.
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Triamcinolone was prescribed for allergy to polen, not for asthma. He doesn't even remember what *** he was taking for what!
Remmie123 said:
Triamcinolone was prescribed for allergy to polen, not for asthma. He doesn't even remember what *** he was taking for what!
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Wiggo's passing comment regarding needles:
“British Cycling have always had a no-needle policy, it’s been a mainstay of theirs; so it was something I grew up with as a bike rider. In British cycling culture, at the word ‘needle’ or the sight of one, you go ‘Oh ***’, it’s a complete taboo. When I was a kid we used to play around in a car park where there were always needles on the floor from heroin addicts who used to go and shoot up – orange needles – so from a young age my mother and others would tell us, ‘Stay away from those needles, don’t go near them, don’t touch them.’ In France you can buy them over the counter; it’s a different culture. Here you buy vitamin C effervescent from Boots, rather than getting it through a syringe. I’ve never had an injection, apart from I’ve had my vaccinations, and on occasion I’ve been put on a drip, when I’ve come down with diarrhoea or something or have been severely dehydrated. Shane kept saying to me that this was all working in our favour. As long as they kept going in that direction, deterring the drug-users, that would be great. The needle ban was fantastic, although from our point of view at the Dauphiné there was no sign of it being policed. It would have been great if they had started raiding teams to see that people were toeing the line. Medical people in our team were adamant that riders were continuing to use syringes for recovery on the Dauphiné and other races even though the practice was banned. Guys with a history of this sort of stuff weren’t going to say, ‘Oh, it’s against the law now, we’ll stop doing it.’ The hardcore will continue to push the boundaries, and until someone gets banned for breaking the syringe rule I don’t think it’s really going to deter them. But all those developments contribute towards a team like ours, which is determined to race clean”
“British Cycling have always had a no-needle policy, it’s been a mainstay of theirs; so it was something I grew up with as a bike rider. In British cycling culture, at the word ‘needle’ or the sight of one, you go ‘Oh ***’, it’s a complete taboo. When I was a kid we used to play around in a car park where there were always needles on the floor from heroin addicts who used to go and shoot up – orange needles – so from a young age my mother and others would tell us, ‘Stay away from those needles, don’t go near them, don’t touch them.’ In France you can buy them over the counter; it’s a different culture. Here you buy vitamin C effervescent from Boots, rather than getting it through a syringe. I’ve never had an injection, apart from I’ve had my vaccinations, and on occasion I’ve been put on a drip, when I’ve come down with diarrhoea or something or have been severely dehydrated. Shane kept saying to me that this was all working in our favour. As long as they kept going in that direction, deterring the drug-users, that would be great. The needle ban was fantastic, although from our point of view at the Dauphiné there was no sign of it being policed. It would have been great if they had started raiding teams to see that people were toeing the line. Medical people in our team were adamant that riders were continuing to use syringes for recovery on the Dauphiné and other races even though the practice was banned. Guys with a history of this sort of stuff weren’t going to say, ‘Oh, it’s against the law now, we’ll stop doing it.’ The hardcore will continue to push the boundaries, and until someone gets banned for breaking the syringe rule I don’t think it’s really going to deter them. But all those developments contribute towards a team like ours, which is determined to race clean”
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Wiggo on Dr. Feelgood Leinders:
"He’s seen the problems that were there in the past; he never agreed with what was going on, and was one of the sane people who were in the sport at that time.
We need guys like Geert Leinders because on top of being a bloody good doctor with a heap of experience, guys like him can play a role, explaining to riders like Ben Swift, Luke Rowe and Peter Kennaugh – young lads who are determined to race clean – what it was like in the past and how lucky they are to be racing now."
"He’s seen the problems that were there in the past; he never agreed with what was going on, and was one of the sane people who were in the sport at that time.
We need guys like Geert Leinders because on top of being a bloody good doctor with a heap of experience, guys like him can play a role, explaining to riders like Ben Swift, Luke Rowe and Peter Kennaugh – young lads who are determined to race clean – what it was like in the past and how lucky they are to be racing now."
Well done rollthedice.
Unambiguous.
Are you sure about the triamcilone being for pollen allergy? If so that's another big kock up
Unambiguous.
Are you sure about the triamcilone being for pollen allergy? If so that's another big kock up
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TUE says: lifelong allergy to pollen, RAST test and all the dramatic consequences of an allergic to grass pollen. IM injection triamcinolone.
sniper said:
TUE says: lifelong allergy to pollen, RAST test and all the dramatic consequences of an allergic to grass pollen. IM injection triamcinolone.
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That is too funny. Wiggins is actually a very good lair, comes naturally to him to talk utter ***. No wonder he's gone into hiding now, we may never see him again!
I'm sure Walsh will write nice things about the whole "administrative" issue.
Rollthedice said:
That is too funny. Wiggins is actually a very good lair, comes naturally to him to talk utter ***. No wonder he's gone into hiding now, we may never see him again!
I'm sure Walsh will write nice things about the whole "administrative" issue.
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Pure gold this! Hard to indicate more clearly which team went so SKY HIGH...
Anyway, looking at Wiggo's schedule it looks like that's way too late (June 29/26), although you may count the first week as "leaning out" period. Unless they use this just as a masking procedure to cover critical time period - suppose they knew they wouldn't be targeted pre-Tour, so they only have to "handle" the in-competition controls.
Interestingly, since 2013 they started the procedure way earlier, probably learned that once you're there, you'll keep your weight for the main season (still, it's 3 months) , also other factors could strike (e.g. a threat of pre-Tour controls, while back in April they are protected by the magic powers of Mount Teide or something like that).
But the main question is: what's the new stuff (or masking method) they use since 2015?
Rollthedice said:
Pure gold this! Hard to indicate more clearly which team went so SKY HIGH...
Anyway, looking at Wiggo's schedule it looks like that's way too late (June 29/26), although you may count the first week as "leaning out" period. Unless they use this just as a masking procedure to cover critical time period - suppose they knew they wouldn't be targeted pre-Tour, so they only have to "handle" the in-competition controls.
Interestingly, since 2013 they started the procedure way earlier, probably learned that once you're there, you'll keep your weight for the main season (still, it's 3 months) , also other factors could strike (e.g. a threat of pre-Tour controls, while back in April they are protected by the magic powers of Mount Teide or something like that).
But the main question is: what's the new stuff (or masking method) they use since 2015?
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"No evidence of wrongdoing", just a "Win at all cost mentality.
He knows the routine. Done it before with Jtl and geert BLienders.
Expect a "they should have been more transparent, shoul have known better, in hindsight" introduction. Then walsh spinning it towardsthehog said:
"No evidence of wrongdoing", just a "Win at all cost mentality.
He knows the routine. Done it before with Jtl and geert BLienders.
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Swart sticking the boot in, the Froome's must be loving this...
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/team-sky-tue-controversy-why-one-medical-expert-has-real-concerns/
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/team-sky-tue-controversy-why-one-medical-expert-has-real-concerns/
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thehog said:
Pressure mounting on Wiggo, maybe he cracks, hits the bottle again puts on some Paul Weller on the stereo and calls the press to spill the beans.
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