Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[Winnats]

Re:

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

It's not like he'd train in the fresh air for long periods of time outside the three week races is it? Or let me guess, hayfever only hits him while he's racing

 

[Amnes2015]

nothing new here, we already knew Froome is the moral winner of 2012 TdF

but seriously now , it looks worse than before, kinda lots of TUE's and with some suspicious connection to his grand tour starts.

 

[Benotti69]

https://twitter.com/Juicedx2/status/776186543069237248


Leinders and Zorzoli really worked their magic for Wiggins.

He was some sick guy and winning all season long. Imagine what he could do healthy!!!!

 

[Amnes2015]

wow what Wiggins took is 8x more powerful than prendisone ?

Il Cobra ‏@IlCobra21 12h12 hours ago
@Juicedx2 @OfficialWIGGINS 8 times more potent than pred...https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/archives/fdaDrugInfo.cfm?archiveid=1787 … That's 320mg of pred....RIDICULOUS!!!!

 

[samhocking]

Wiggins Triamcinolone acetonide TUE at least according to the RAST test is for an allergy to grass pollen, so probably preventative at that time of year. Not sure how performance-enhancing a 40mg Triamcinolone acetonide injection really is although my Father gets prescribed it for bad allergies in July and take his in June and it lasts around 1 month before he needs another dose usually.

 

[samhocking]

Re:

wow what Wiggins took is 8x more powerful than prendisone ?

Il Cobra ‏@IlCobra21 12h12 hours ago
@Juicedx2 @OfficialWIGGINS 8 times more potent than pred...https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/archives/fdaDrugInfo.cfm?archiveid=1787 … That's 320mg of pred....RIDICULOUS!!!!

Wiggins TUE is not for a nasal spray and it's not for nasacort because it's via a 40mg onetime injection of Kenalog lol!

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

It's not like he'd train in the fresh air for long periods of time outside the three week races is it? Or let me guess, hayfever only hits him while he's racing

Depends on the weather and the location, french fields in the middle of summer are going to have a much higher pollen count than Spanish mountains or the swiss alps in April.

 

[samhocking]

The obvious thing to say is Triamcinolone acetonide is so good for Wiggins he's won more far more races without it than with it if that really is all his TUE's Fancy Bear uploaded from ADAMS?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

It's not like he'd train in the fresh air for long periods of time outside the three week races is it? Or let me guess, hayfever only hits him while he's racing

you're clearly clueless about hayfever. it all depends what kind of pollen you're allergic to. for instance certain tree's are incredibly hard on pollen allergy and they blossom half april till half may, my girlfriend can barely work during this time of the year or sleep. and many grass pollen only start to really blossom in late june and july.

 

[simoni]

Re: Re:

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

It's not like he'd train in the fresh air for long periods of time outside the three week races is it? Or let me guess, hayfever only hits him while he's racing

you're clearly clueless about hayfever. it all depends what kind of pollen you're allergic to. for instance certain tree's are incredibly hard on pollen allergy and they blossom half april till half may, my girlfriend can barely work during this time of the year or sleep. and many grass pollen only start to really blossom in late june and july.

Something like this: http://zirtek.co.uk/hayfever/pollen_calendar

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

It's not like he'd train in the fresh air for long periods of time outside the three week races is it? Or let me guess, hayfever only hits him while he's racing

you're clearly clueless about hayfever. it all depends what kind of pollen you're allergic to. for instance certain tree's are incredibly hard on pollen allergy and they blossom half april till half may, my girlfriend can barely work during this time of the year or sleep. and many grass pollen only start to really blossom in late june and july.

No I know about hayfever. Luckily wiggins doesn't seem to train outdoors during the summer outside of races, or he'd need a TUE for his hayfever then too. He just turns up at the races without any prep or solely using rollers

 

[samhocking]

The thing to focus on in the 2012 TUE is his RAST and Endoscopy results clearly says Timothy Grass allergy which at least in France would be around June/July highest counts. Clearly he won Dauphine, Paris-Nice and Olympics ITT without a TUE assuming the 2012 TUE is everything on ADAMS Fancy Bear found?

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

It's not like he'd train in the fresh air for long periods of time outside the three week races is it? Or let me guess, hayfever only hits him while he's racing

you're clearly clueless about hayfever. it all depends what kind of pollen you're allergic to. for instance certain tree's are incredibly hard on pollen allergy and they blossom half april till half may, my girlfriend can barely work during this time of the year or sleep. and many grass pollen only start to really blossom in late june and july.

No I know about hayfever. Luckily wiggins doesn't seem to train outdoors during the summer outside of races, or he'd need a TUE for his hayfever then too. He just turns up at the races without any prep or solely using rollers

It's a steroid, that gets regularly prescribed to the general public for things like skin inflammation. I've had it myself once for contact dermatitis. The point however is the timing of his TUEs. That's extremely suspicious

and Hayfever. Might be a sensible precaution if you're about to spend all day every day out in the fresh air for three weeks in summer.

It's not like he'd train in the fresh air for long periods of time outside the three week races is it? Or let me guess, hayfever only hits him while he's racing

This is brilliant. When you clearly have no idea what you are talking about it's usually best to keep quiet or you end up looking like a fool. Persistence only perpetuates that view. Wiggins TUE was for a glucocorticosteroid. These are listed in the WADA prohibited list under S9. which are prohibited in competition.

 

[samhocking]

This is the thing with the TUE, many aren't aware of the difference between In-Competition and All the time lists. You're only ever going to see a TUE for glucocorticosteroids during a race.

 

[buckle]

I think we know why Brailsford went with Froome instead of Wiggo. The latter was a better responder and lower risk.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

This is brilliant. When you clearly have no idea what you are talking about it's usually best to keep quiet or you end up looking like a fool. Persistence only perpetuates that view. Wiggins TUE was for a glucocorticosteroid. These are listed in the WADA prohibited list under S9. which are prohibited in competition.

Ok, fair enough
That's answers a lot of my problems with Wiggins TUE data

 

[meat puppet]

So wigans transformation slash weightloss that went on in 2008-9 was on zorzolis tab and fuelled by the TUEd products.

Nice.

 

[samhocking]

He still takes Salbutomol today 15kg heavier though? Surely you need to be taking milligrams outside of TUE system, not micrograms in a TUE inhaler to loose weight, unless you do a Pettachi with your inhaler I guess?

 

[Benotti69]

it appears Wiggins didn't have TUE for 2016 Olympic puffs.

 

[samhocking]

Why would he need one?

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

Why would he need one?

Correction.

He doesn't post 2011. WADA changed their 2010 ruling. So WADA permit doping, Who would've thought.

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Why would he need one?

Correction.

He doesn't post 2011. WADA changed their 2010 ruling. So WADA permit doping, Who would've thought.

Or he's competing in an indoir environment where the pollen count is lower.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Why would he need one?

Correction.

He doesn't post 2011. WADA changed their 2010 ruling. So WADA permit doping, Who would've thought.

Or he's competing in an indoir environment where the pollen count is lower.

Nah, Wiggins is a doper.

 

[Rollthedice]

It's all in the CIRC report but nobody bothers to follow up:

There were allegations of cortisone use, in order to lose weight, and of abuse of Therapeutic Use Exemptions to enable this. “One doctor stated that: riders use corticoids to ‘clean out’ ie to lose weight quickly, and keep it off, without losing power.”

“Today there appears to be concern among riders about the way in which TUEs are used for corticoids and insulin in particular, and the extent to which they are being abused. One difficulty, raised by a laboratory, is that it is difficult to tell from a sample whether corticoids have been administered through permitted routes of administration. In general, there was a feeling that it is too easy to obtain a TUE; one rider who had doped reported that he was told to ask for a TUE for triamcinolone acetonide (Kenacort) claiming that he had tendinitis; he had no problem obtaining the TUE.”

“Another doctor stated that some quite recent big wins on the UCI WorldTour were as a result, in part, of some members of the team all using corticoids to get their weight down to support the individual who won (who also used the same weight-loss technique). It was reported that this had been a planned approach by that group’s management.”