Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[nomapnocompass]

No way you can train like that clean without making yourself ill

- Yet Wiggins excels at it. Pharmaceutical help is undoubtedly being used, although much of it is probably still borderline legal. Thyroxine, Telmisartan etc.

 

[SundayRider]

Which is kind of ironic, as every time Froome, Porte and Kennaugh have got ill in recent weeks, it's been accepted here as evidence of them doping. . .

Works both ways doesn't it? Same as a bad performance indicates doping going wrong (or going off the dope) and a top performance equals FR doping.

I know from personal experience (and obviously I'm not training nearly as much as these guys) if I don't get enough calories in, I am much more likely to get ill and/or injured. I can't get through my (sedentary) 8hrs at work without eating never mind the same time training on a bike.

 

[nomapnocompass]

It is simple physiology, on a 7.5 hour ride with no calorific input muscle glycogen will drop through the floor. The ability to do useful training will be negligible and one's immune system is most definitely compromised.

Sports science though according to Team Sky.

 

[thehog]

It is simple physiology, on a 7.5 hour ride with no calorific input muscle glycogen will drop through the floor. The ability to do useful training will be negligible and one's immune system is most definitely compromised.

Sports science though according to Team Sky.

And the fact that he'd be asleep for 8 hours prior to that. So his last meal was at say 7pm the day before.

If he can stay on a bike with no food for nearly 20+ hours then there probably isn't a reason to eat at all.

 

[pastronef]

7.5 hours on my bike with no breakfast and no food all day #doingthelittlethings

he's trolling the clinic and twitter. he knows it. I'd do the same

 

[Zam_Olyas]

he's trolling the clinic and twitter. he knows it. I'd do the same

Admitting to trolling are generally frown upon by the powers that be.

 

[Franklin]

Sorry, but there's actually very good reason for "hungry" training, though 7,5 hours seems excessive.

The 1970 reason so the next days you could eat more (calorie stacking) is bunk, but it should train your body to become more efficient in it's energy uptake. It's really a part of modern training regimen. It's really not nice, though I stick with a 2-3 hours ride after (non) breakfast and feel like a dog *ugh*.

So even though I have said many times that Sky is using particulary obsolete methods, this one actually has merits.

But what's also notable is the surprising notion that this is part of dieting. That's news to me.... all I know is that you use this horrid trainging to train your body to make use of slower energy forces a tad faster. Then again, I'm not a doctor and hardly part of a profesional training regimen

 

[oldcrank]

So the King of Kilburn has a coffee, does three hours
on the bike, has lunch, does another 4.5 hour ride,
has a massage, supper, then plays a little guitar and
makes a couple of phone calls. Not what I did on my
34th birthday, but I don't find it too alarming.

He did 7.5 hours without 'eating on the bike,' my friends.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

So even though I have said many times that Sky is using particulary obsolete methods, this one actually has merits.

Could you link to any examples of you claiming Sky are using obsolete methods?

 

[oldcrank]

Adding sachets of 'CNP Elite Energy' powder to ones
water bottles doesn't constitute 'eating on the bike' does
it? 'CNP Elite Energy' is a tri-source carbohydrate and
electrolyte blend available in three flavours. I prefer the
lemon-lime, but I'm not sure which one Sir Brad chooses.

 

[The Hitch]

“Just little things like the way I spent my 34th birthday at the end of April. I did 7½ hours on the bike that day in Majorca. I had no breakfast, and didn’t eat anything on the bike all day because I was on a bit of a severe weight-loss thing post-Paris-Roubaix...."

And then he wonders why people post "all this garbage on Twitter" about metabolic modulators, aicar, telmisartan and thyroxine.

I would love to see the power data for the above workout. His statement above will ring alarm bells with anyone who has the most basic knowledge of endocrinology.

Such a good post.

 

[Afrank]

“Just little things like the way I spent my 34th birthday at the end of April. I did 7½ hours on the bike that day in Majorca. I had no breakfast, and didn’t eat anything on the bike all day because I was on a bit of a severe weight-loss thing post-Paris-Roubaix...."

I call complete and utter BS on that. There's no way in hell anyone (I don't care who they are) can go out on a 7 and a half hour ride without eating something first and not eating anything during the ride either. If Wiggins actually did do this and is doing things like this, there's no way he doing it without a little "extra help."

Besides, I thought Sky was all about the marginal gains, being smart in training, and being scientific. Losing weight through things like this is just stupidity on a grand scale.

 

[The Hitch]

It reminds me of a post Merckx index made where he said Sky act as if hours done in training is absolutely correlated to benefits of training and that therefore they just name very high numbers of hours of training all the time as if that were to explain their transformations and performances.

Which it doesn't.

 

[thehog]

http://le-grimpeur.net/blog/archives/921

Bob Roll suggests before a big event (although your author has yet to try it). Bobke suggests the following: every day for 2 weeks, wake up and eat 1 bowl of cereal, ride 100 miles, drink a shot of whiskey and a pint of Guinness, nap until 8pm, eat a cheeseburger, sleep all night. Then, a day before the event, take the day off and eat everything in the house. At the race, “you will be flying” but will have to take a month off afterwards to recover.

Wiggins learning from the master.

The Italians used to starve themselves of carbs leading up to a big race then load the night before.

Armstrong would skip breakfast also. Although about 2 hours in you would literally pass out as your body begins to shutdown to protect itself.

 

[Bumeington]

It is simple physiology, on a 7.5 hour ride with no calorific input muscle glycogen will drop through the floor. The ability to do useful training will be negligible and one's immune system is most definitely compromised.

Sports science though according to Team Sky.

He says he didn't eat anything - he's probably having ketone drinks etc. during the ride

 

[Franklin]

Could you link to any examples of you claiming Sky are using obsolete methods?

Tenerife thread where I scorn Wiggo claiming to ride up the Pico del Teide.

Have fun, you can find the search button yourself.

A question though, why do you want to know? Does it surprise you?

 

[Franklin]

http://le-grimpeur.net/blog/archives/921
Wiggins learning from the master.

The Italians used to starve themselves of carbs leading up to a big race then load the night before.

Old fashioned and very very doubtful if not actually harmful.

Armstrong would skip breakfast also. Although about 2 hours in you would literally pass out as your body begins to shutdown to protect itself.

Horse-S**t. You don't literally pass out after a few hours cycling without food. It's not fun, but it's not that extreme.

 

[Franklin]

It reminds me of a post Merckx index made where he said Sky act as if hours done in training is absolutely correlated to benefits of training and that therefore they just name very high numbers of hours of training all the time as if that were to explain their transformations and performances.

Which it doesn't.

Indeed some of what they say, both on volume as intensity are flat out mideval. It's one of those things Wiggo (and others at Sky, but Wiggo is vocal about it) says why I simply can't trust him about anything training or physiology related. It's all nonsense.

 

[doolols]

So the King of Kilburn has a coffee, does three hours on the bike, has lunch, does another 4.5 hour ride, has a massage, supper, then plays a little guitar and makes a couple of phone calls. Not what I did on my 34th birthday, but I don't find it too alarming.

He did 7.5 hours without 'eating on the bike,' my friends.

Agreed. People always assume The Wig always tell the truth about his training. Why would he do that? He's a bright man, a sarcastic man, and very used to winding people up. Like he has here.

 

[Hawkwood]

Indeed some of what they say, both on volume as intensity are flat out mideval. It's one of those things Wiggo (and others at Sky, but Wiggo is vocal about it) says why I simply can't trust him about anything training or physiology related. It's all nonsense.

About ten years ago or so there was a feature on Wiggins in Cycling Weekly that discussed his training. His regular rides seemed to comprise 150+ mile rides east towards the Pennines, north, then west into the Lake District, and then finally south to home. Seemed to be a huge mileage for someone mainly doing track.

 

[Franklin]

About ten years ago or so there was a feature on Wiggins in Cycling Weekly that discussed his training. His regular rides seemed to comprise 150+ mile rides east towards the Pennines, north, then west into the Lake District, and then finally south to home. Seemed to be a huge mileage for someone mainly doing track.

Well.... that in itself is not suspect at all (as is this Hunger training). A very long ride does wonders for your metabolism and your slower muscles.

Considering Wiggo certainly needed his slower muscles as pursuit specialist this is not so strange. Besides, he always rode on the road, though that was a secondary occupation at that time. So even though it deserves the usual "oh it's Wiggo again about training" shrug, the fact he rode long rides in itself is not surprising.

The questionmarks about his training are biggest when he claimed to stampede up the Pico del Teide for 100's of time and call that training. That can't be right... even if he's as dirty as Lance, that makes no sense at all. Most training has to be extensive, not intensive.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Agreed. People always assume The Wig always tell the truth about his training. Why would he do that? He's a bright man, a sarcastic man, and very used to winding people up. Like he has here.

Yep, thats the narrative around Sir W.

the Tour de France winner was approached by compere Jon Hammond as one of his cycling shirts went up for auction. Wiggins’ face appeared on the big screen at the luxury Rudding Park Hotel near Harrogate and he said: “You’ve got a posh voice. I like posh voices. S*** me off.”
http://road.cc/content/news/99944-si...charity-dinner

A bright, sarcastic man, yes indeed.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Which is kind of ironic, as every time Froome, Porte and Kennaugh have got ill in recent weeks, it's been accepted here as evidence of them doping. . .

This kind of redirected summary is dishonest.

It's fine to have a difference of opinion, but you pollute the topic with posts like this.

Ignored.

 

[stutue]

I call complete and utter BS on that. There's no way in hell anyone (I don't care who they are) can go out on a 7 and a half hour ride without eating something first and not eating anything during the ride either. If Wiggins actually did do this and is doing things like this, there's no way he doing it without a little "extra help."

Besides, I thought Sky was all about the marginal gains, being smart in training, and being scientific. Losing weight through things like this is just stupidity on a grand scale.

Then you'd be mistaken, Afrank.

Its all down to the intensity of 'the ride'. As long as he kept it down to about 50% MHR he'd have been fine.

Also, for the non-competitive / non-cyclists amongst you (ie. Most of you) your muscles become more efficient the more you train. I've gone round a hilly 200k course at an average speed of 35kph with nothing to eat in the recent past. If I tried that now I'd bonk after 80k.

If he was wanting to lose fat then a long low intensity ride would do it.

 

[The Hitch]

If he was wanting to lose fat then a long low intensity ride would do it.

Not the ammount of fat he's been losing it wouldn't.