Wigans goes there. Cadence!

[thehog]

I agree with you the fact that both he and Brailsford accepted their Knighthoods is a good thing as if I was offered one and had been using drugs to win races I would not accept it .

Does Lienders get one as well? Or will the Dutch Royal Family give him one for services to the medical industry?

 

[Joachim]

Captain, That's not quite what I'm saying, because what I'm getting at is that the knighthood doesn't offer him any backup against accusations, unlike Lance's charity where people still cite it as something to mitigate or even ignore the doping.

If Wiggins does ever get busted, through testing or testimony, he will be burnt at the stake.

 

[Joachim]

Does Lienders get one as well? Or will the Dutch Royal Family give him one for services to the medical industry?

Can you not find another forum to go and troll?

 

[ferryman]

Maybe slightly offtopic Wiggo-related question: can knighthood be taken away from a person? You know, like the medals and race titles, etc.

To answer, your seemingly genuine question, yes a Knighthood can be taken away. Maybe you should have posted the question on the main Wiggins thread in the Road forum though.

 

[ferryman]

Let's be clear. This forum is moderated by people who take part in discussions, often holding very polarised views. Of course it isn't a level playing field.

Verging on the offensive. Good luck if any of the other 'people' who are moderating read this.

 

[martinvickers]

Why did your thread belong in the clinic and not in the Wiggins discussion thread in the pro cycling bit?

I put it in the clinic because it was intended to inform ongoing discussions on wiggins, particularly how might such public recognition may be affected, or should be affected, by accusations of doping. It's pretty important news, albeit silly maybe, about the current Patron of the Tour. I noted that the news would likely polarise views - which is hardly a controversial claim.

Now, if some administrator had said - "doesn't really belong here, MV, so it's been moved to Pro Road racing, or General" - I could and would have no complaint.

That's not what happened. Clearly.

There's an ongoing complaint on the issue so I don't want to go much further in public forum, as I have my own views on why this happened in this way.

But I repeat, Mellow, I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Joachim]

Verging on the offensive. Good luck if any of the other 'people' who are moderating read this.

Do you think people who moderate forums can vociferously take sides in debates, and remain impartial?

 

[martinvickers]

Verging on the offensive. Good luck if any of the other 'people' who are moderating read this.

It may be verging on the offensive, but is it verging on the inaccurate?

 

[martinvickers]

To answer, your seemingly genuine question, yes a Knighthood can be taken away. Maybe you should have posted the question on the main Wiggins thread in the Road forum though.

With the best will in the world, how could a question on rescinding his Knighthood make any sense outside the context of his possible doping - a subject which I thought was verbotten outside the clinic?

 

[bianchigirl]

Of course if I was overweeningly arrogant and believed I'd done nothing wrong I'd accept it anyway - Armstrong took his Bronze medal & 7 TdFs didn't he?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Of course if I was overweeningly arrogant and believed I'd done nothing wrong I'd accept it anyway - Armstrong took his Bronze medal & 7 TdFs didn't he?

Lance bet on himself winning a 6th after winning 2 I think?

You're not doping unless you get caught, that's the take away from everything I have read from Brad. Nowhere has Brad said doping is cheating, or wrong.

Just that he'd lose the lot if he got caught.

 

[the sceptic]

Let's be clear. This forum is moderated by people who take part in discussions, often holding very polarised views. Of course it isn't a level playing field.

is that why you and other posters appear out of nowhere to defend team sky? Hope they pay well

 

[Joachim]

Have you any idea just how utterly ridiculous a comment that is?

 

[xcleigh]

is that why you and other posters appear out of nowhere to defend team sky? Hope they pay well

Nah, I don't even get a bloody sky dish. Damn them, If they don't start soon though, well who knows what I might spill........

 

[Ferminal]

It is not correct to discuss such matters outside the About the Forum section (please cease), and yes I am moderating.

 

[ferryman]

Do you think people who moderate forums can vociferously take sides in debates, and remain impartial?

Yes I do, but you clearly don't. But see Ferminal's post above. So, if you want to continue this let's go there. Not as a Mod.

 

[Joachim]

If you read the post preceding yours, you'll see that a moderator has stepped in and asked that this discussion ceases in this thread.

And you've ignored him.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Brad won the Tour, nay, dominated it for 14 days straight, underdone!

"I also like to train, get the best out of myself, and try other things to see if I can still be better. I've been training at a high intensity for two years now and Tim (Kerrison, his coach) thinks I can still improve. That encourages me a lot. I won the Tour, but that does not mean that I'm at my peak.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-confirms-the-giro-ditalia-as-his-major-goal-of-2013

 

[iZnoGouD]

It's hard to believe he doesnt dope, it can be very little but i doubt he is clean
But i do believe he is one of the few cyclists who trains really hard and gives 100% in everything that can affect his performance

 

[thehog]

But i do believe he is one of the few cyclists who trains really hard and gives 100% in everything that can affect his performance

By drinking a lot?

 

[thehog]

It's hard to believe he doesnt dope, it can be very little but i doubt he is clean
But i do believe he is one of the few cyclists who trains really hard and gives 100% in everything that can affect his performance

Things I’ve learnt of recent.

A 64kg, clean, super skinny cyclists can time trial fastest than a “Lugi” doped up specialist who weighs 86kg.

Training at altitude provides an additional benefit of a “pass” on the bio passport – best used between races.

The Passport as touted by many winning cyclists is simply ********. Its well proven that it’s not working and the UCI are not enforcing its use evenly across all cyclists.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Things I’ve learnt of recent.

A 64kg, clean, super skinny cyclists can time trial fastest than a “Lugi” doped up specialist who weighs 86kg.

Training at altitude provides an additional benefit of a “pass” on the bio passport – best used between races.

The Passport as touted by many winning cyclists is simply ********. Its well proven that it’s not working and the UCI are not enforcing its use evenly across all cyclists.

They're all 'in awe' of the passport because they like it just the way it is now. Not working.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Why this? why that? The explain this, then explain that. You guys have't worked out what a strawman argument is yet have you?

There could be dozens of possible answers to those questions. The most likely one has been discussed many times before.... it was not part of Wiggins plan to go chasing a high GC place in those races because his priority goal was on the track.

Why is this so hard to believe? That a cyclist who wants to win an olympic gold medal in the IP would not base their entire training and preparation around peaking for a GT at a different time of the year? In fact it beggars belief that anyone would think that a cyclist who wanted to win a gold in the IP would try to compete to win or place highly in a GT. Even a rank amateur could understand that training to win these two events wouldn't be perfectly compatible with each other. So why can't you guys figure it out? You're better than that. However, a rank amateur might not realise that the underlying physiological characteristics required to win these two very different events are surprisingly similar. But you guys don't realise that despite the fact I've told you dozens of times and posted links to studies which prove it.

Sometimes you guys demonstrate excellent knowledge of cycling history, but then you turn around and make statements that make you look as if you don't know anything about the physiological demands or physiological characteristics of elite cycling performance.

Thanks for spelling it out, again....

And yet curiously enough, Wiggins is part of the world cup TP team that wins a world cup in Manchester, on 20th February, 2011, in a time of 3:55. ie quick.

And then 2 weeks later starts week-long Paris Nice, finishing 3rd, including a handy 2nd in the 27km (6.5 x the distance of a team pursuit) TT, losing only 20 seconds to Tony Martin.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/paris-nice-2011
Paris-Nice organiser ASO has unveiled the route for this year’s race, confirming rumours of a tougher route, with a 27km individual time trial on stage five likely to be crucial to overall victory. The eight-day, 1,307km race begins in Houdan, a small village west of Paris, on Sunday, March 6 and ends in Nice on Sunday, March 13. Riders hoping to target the traditional short prologue time trial will be disappointed to discover the race begins with a 154.5km circuit stage around Houdan

Now. I am pretty sure he was doing longer than 4km TTT efforts in the lead up to the world cup (Nov-Jan), or he would not have finished Paris Nice anywhere near as well as he did.

When are you, Krebs, going to stop defending Brad Wiggins complete and utter inability on the road with such a weak argument as "he was concentrating on the track".

Darryl Webster was IP champ of UK based on road miles.
Hepburn just broke Wiggins IP record on road miles.

You can pursuit on road miles. It's not rocket science. It's a fallacy that Wiggins was concentrating on track and therefore could not ride hard on the road. Complete and utter fallacy.

It may be true that Wiggins just could not be bothered becoming a multi-millionaire.
It may be true that a clean Wiggins refusing to dope could not make it in a peloton of dopers.
It may be true that Wiggins is now doping.

But it's not true you can't race hard on the road - GTs or not - and do well at track pursuit. That is a fallacy.

 

[sittingbison]

...it's not true you can't race hard on the road - GTs or not - and do well at track pursuit. That is a fallacy.

to counter the argument that nobody has transitioned from the track to the road, various posters scoured the records back 70 years and trot out a few of the most famous names in cycling history to point out it CAN be done.

The same posters then use the argument that Sir Wiggo was totally useless on the road until 2009 because he was a track cyclist and therefore couldnt possibly perform on the road...notwithstanding the two year gaps between Olympics and Worlds, or the four year gaps between Olympics. Or the 30k km road training per annum a world class trackie requires.

Without rushing off to the history books, I suspect those famous historical names were often successful on the road AND the track....simultaneously.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Without rushing off to the history books, I suspect those famous historical names were often successful on the road AND the track....simultaneously.

Darryl Webster certainly was.