Wiggins, a man in love!

[MartinGT]

If you cant beat them.........join them.

 

[Tinman]

Here you go:
SimonPeter
Andrew
James Zebedee
John Boanerges
Philip
Bartholomew
Thomas
Matthew the tax collector
James Alphaeus
Thaddeu
Simon the Zealot
Judas Iscariot

Love it, cracked me up. But seriously, one of the USADA affidavits I read had a senior clinic member dialogue at the bottom querying UCI complicity in the Armstrong donation for the Sysmex. And it occurred to me there are guys who have been here for probably 10-15 years pushing these issues, and still are, never given up, more cynical I am sure, but still going. I think now is a nice time to get a bit more background on who they are, and say thanks for keeping the cause alive for all that time.

 

[D-Queued]

What I don't get about Wiggins is that in 2007 he was more of an anti-doping activist than anyone here. He spoke very frankly about the dire state of professional cycling.

But in 2012, he claims that he knew nothing of doping at USPS, completely shocked by the revelations and didn't see it coming.

Exactly.

...and now didn't even know Lance was in the race...

Less and less credible. And, truly unfortunately so.

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As to the mythical 12 (yes, I think the source was JV), 12 is too small a number, but it has been very lonely on occasion.

My sense is that there has been a core group (25-40 or so?) that has posted relatively freqquently with critical insight, deduction, access, or personal knowledge and who have refused to be bullied or otherwise pushed aside.

There has been a second group, posting less frequently, but who have actively followed the dialog.

This combined group have posted here and on some other sites as well. On these sites, it was not uncommon to be banned or moderated for even posting on Lance and doping. Hence the use of aliases such as HWMNBN, Gunderson, etc.

This group carried the conversation on Tyler's absurd defense and the Floyd fund deception, battling increasingly strident and organized PR campaigns.

As noted, trying to connect the dots to an obvious underlying conspiracy was enough to get a long vacation.

Some distinction should be made for a third, and somewhat exclusive, group that includes those, like Betsy and TexPat, that have actively monitored the discussion and validated it, on occasion, with critical firsthand experience and their own unique insights.

Far more than 12.

Dave.

 

[Jeremiah]

Exactly.

...and now didn't even know Lance was in the race...

Less and less credible. And, truly unfortunately so.

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As to the mythical 12 (yes, I think the source was JV), 12 is too small a number, but it has been very lonely on occasion.

My sense is that there has been a core group (25-40 or so?) that has posted relatively freqquently with critical insight, deduction, access, or personal knowledge and who have refused to be bullied or otherwise pushed aside.

There has been a second group, posting less frequently, but who have actively followed the dialog.

This combined group have posted here and on some other sites as well. On these sites, it was not uncommon to be banned or moderated for even posting on Lance and doping. Hence the use of aliases such as HWMNBN, Gunderson, etc.

This group carried the conversation on Tyler's absurd defense and the Floyd fund deception, battling increasingly strident and organized PR campaigns.

As noted, trying to connect the dots to an obvious underlying conspiracy was enough to get a long vacation.

Some distinction should be made for a third, and somewhat exclusive, group that includes those, like Betsy and TexPat, that have actively monitored the discussion and validated it, on occasion, with critical firsthand experience and their own unique insights.

Far more than 12.

Dave.

What about the guy who started this thread. JV reached out to him tried to "placate" him a year or so ago.. To what end?

 

[racyrichuk]

Well, the British press has recovered from its summer cycling love-in and is back to doing what it does best: knocking down those it built up. The Mail is generally anti-cycling anyway, so I imagine it didn't take too much hubris from Wiggins to set them off digging for dirt. And they found some. The clinic will be disappointed to hear it's not dopage dirt, just tax avoidance. But the fall from grace begins, rightly or wrongly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nce-scheme-Bill-Roache.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

[thehog]

Well, the British press has recovered from its summer cycling love-in and is back to doing what it does best: knocking down those it built up. The Mail is generally anti-cycling anyway, so I imagine it didn't take too much hubris from Wiggins to set them off digging for dirt. And they found some. The clinic will be disappointed to hear it's not dopage dirt, just tax avoidance. But the fall from grace begins, rightly or wrongly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nce-scheme-Bill-Roache.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It a a worry because British Cycling in part is funded by tax payers money. So he is paying us all back by not paying tax!

Nice guy. He's a bit of rule bender isn't he?

 

[purcell]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/25/tour-de-france-2010-lance-armstrong

"I love him," Wiggins said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

Oh the irony, what Lord Armstrong giveth, Lord Armstrong taketh away.

The irony is that for all those who said Armstrong was the greatest thing ever to happen to cycling as a sport, the proof is now in, that he was in fact the worst thing to ever happen to cycling.

He has utterly destroyed the sport and will leave it a shell of what it once was. It may take a generation to recover.

But that's OK, Bradley can still love his man.

 

[thehog]

On the podium of Paris-Nice Wiggins thanked Armstrong....now that was odd ! talk about 'in the Armstrong brigade.'

Very strange. The contractions are staggering.

 

[Robert21]

Originally Posted by Cycle Chic

On the podium of Paris-Nice Wiggins thanked Armstrong....now that was odd ! talk about 'in the Armstrong brigade.'

Very strange. The contractions are staggering.

It is no wonder Wiggins thanked Armstrong, given that Armstrong was apparently acting as one of his advisors at the time.

I said Paris-Nice was a stepping stone, no disrespect for Paris-Nice. But I must continue that progression to July now. Lance Armstrong warned me recently not to burn too many matches for July. It's certainly a long trail."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/mar/11/bradley-wiggins-wins-paris-nice

 

[thehog]

It is no wonder Wiggins thanked Armstrong, given that Armstrong was apparently acting as one of his advisors at the time.

That he was. But I'm sure it was just "training plans" and "advise".

Excellent mentor our friend Lance. Good with up and coming riders on what they should do to succeed.

Contradictions.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

That he was. But I'm sure it was just "training plans" and "advise".

Excellent mentor our friend Lance. Good with up and coming riders on what they should do to succeed.

Contradictions.

Very odd that. Wiggins does seem to have terrible trouble remembering what he's said.

 

[maxmartin]

 

[maxmartin]

for your amusement

 

[blackcat]

was that one of Cath's tweets?

 

[thehog]

Very odd that. Wiggins does seem to have terrible trouble remembering what he's said.

His yearly autobiographies change depending on the wind.

Strange man. But never tested positive therefore no proof.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Very odd that. Wiggins does seem to have terrible trouble remembering what he's said.

Or who he has ridden with..

 

[thehog]

Or who he has ridden with..

Armstrong tactic ±235 - blame the foreigners.

"If your French or Italian you can dope and come back a hero"

"British don't dope"

Us and them.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Pewk Factor

From GQ Magazine

Bradley Wiggins shares the secrets of a real Tour winner

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entert...10/bradley-wiggins-real-tour-de-france-winner

We raced less, trained more, and rather than peaking for the Tour de France, I was riding at 96-97 per cent of what I was capable of for the whole season. I was able to win the Paris-Nice in March, the Tour de Romandie in April, and the Critérium du Dauphiné in June and still be on form for the Tour and the Olympics."

Some classics in this article.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

From GQ Magazine

Bradley Wiggins shares the secrets of a real Tour winner

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entert...10/bradley-wiggins-real-tour-de-france-winner



Some classics in this article.

Thanks for the link Cycle Chic, nice article.

 

[JimmyFingers]

at least we can establish he was 71kg at this tour, not 69kg, which was his weight in 2011. That means a whole new slew of inaccurate power calculations for him

 

[Robert21]

STAGE ONE
Never lose your hunger

STAGE TWO
Do whatever it takes

STAGE THREE
Quitting is not an option

STAGE FOUR
Tear up the rule book

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entert...10/bradley-wiggins-real-tour-de-france-winner

So much like Armstrong.

Someone certainly seems to be taking the mickey here.

I sometimes think that 'Wiggo' likes to tease those with a more detailed understanding of what it actually takes to win the Tour in this era of micro-dosing, Aicar, UCI corruption and all the rest, effectively saying, "Yeah, my mate Lance and I just have SO much in common. You know it, I know you know it, but there is nothing you can do, is there?"

Why else would Wiggins have been so willing to give Armstrong 'an eloquent tribute' as he did in 2010 (1) or drop casual comments about taking advice from Armstrong and so on, as he did as recently as last spring (2), despite the Armstrong myth being well and truly debunked by that point? I wonder what changed, given that the 'old' Wiggo would have been most unlikely to give Armstrong credit for anything.

1) http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/25/tour-de-france-2010-lance-armstrong

2) http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/mar/11/bradley-wiggins-wins-paris-nice?INTCMP=SRCH

 

[SundayRider]

at least we can establish he was 71kg at this tour, not 69kg, which was his weight in 2011. That means a whole new slew of inaccurate power calculations for him

Not according to his latest book, never mentions the things he talks about in that interview.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Annoying Doping Questions !!

Then you have to deal with the media, the doping questions… that is a strain and you deal with it every day, but it's in no way enjoyable." And that was why I enjoyed riding in the Olympics this summer. I didn't have a team to lead, didn't have press conferences every day, dope questions all the time… it was purely about cycling

Why doesnt a journalist ask wiggins why the 'doping questions' annoy him so much ?? its bizarre that he reacts so aggressively to these questions when in the past HE was the one getting annoyed about it.

 

[SundayRider]

Why doesnt a journalist ask wiggins why the 'doping questions' annoy him so much ?? its bizarre that he reacts so aggressively to these questions when in the past HE was the one getting annoyed about it.

If at your workplace an incident occurs and management (or whoever) is trying to get to the bottom of it (and you were the one at fault but don't want people to find out) when you get questioned about it or other people even discuss this 'hypothetical' event, your going to find it pretty stressful.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

If at your workplace an incident occurs and management (or whoever) is trying to get to the bottom of it (and you were the one at fault but don't want people to find out) when you get questioned about it or other people even discuss this 'hypothetical' event, your going to find it pretty stressful.

If on the other hand you did nothing and management keep pressuring you then you will also find it stressful.