Wiggins speaks about drugs

[BikeCentric]

I have clarified my position on that and explained that when i refer to spanish riders i beleive are doping and give me a mistrust of every spanish rider I am talking about climbing, grand tour condenters. Not single day racers or sprinters who benefit much less from the kind of stuff contador, valverde, sanchez etc are doing.

On a side note, why is it around here, that when people have an opinion others dont agree with they are dismissed as a troll?



I didnt know that and im from the UK. I thought they were still buddies.

Stop being dim Dim. I don't call you a troll when we disagree. This guy is a troll and is Arbiter/Sprocket01/etc. Don't support his idiocy.

Anyway I highly recommend the interview with Millar in the new Cycle Sport, it's very very good and I say that as someone who's never been a Millar fan.

 

[BikeCentric]

I dont think Jim Jones is who you think they are, but what do I know..

You're wrong. His writing style, grammar, syntax, and the conveyance of his barely flickering "intelligence" is immediately visible to those of us with above average reading comprehension skills.

 

[Big GMaC]

Stop being dim Dim. I don't call you a troll when we disagree. This guy is a troll and is Arbiter/Sprocket01/etc. Don't support his idiocy.

Anyway I highly recommend the interview with Millar in the new Cycle Sport, it's very very good and I say that as someone who's never been a Millar fan.

Do you have a link to an online version?

 

[BikeCentric]

I don't see how Wiggins can justify this statement:

For years we were always told by French teams: 'You'll never do anything at the Tour. How can we possible compete with these guys, they've got another gear.' You actually start believing that crap after a while.

That 'crap' was actually true, and, if you are prepared to go back far enough, everyone was at it. I'm inclined to believe that things have got better, and that now, by no means is everyone doing it. (That's based on anecdotal evidence I've heard from someone who's raced UCI 2.1.) But people still ARE doing it, that's a fact as well.

So if it's not crap, and Wiggins says it is crap.. Well, what is one supposed to think?

My opinion of Wiggins has changed a lot this last year. He used to be unequivocal and vocal in his anti doping stance. That no longer seems to be the case, in my eyes.

It's also funny/sad that he states that we've been told this by "French teams." When in reality if you go back and look at the early history of American teams such as 7/11 and Motorola all of our top American riders were saying the same thing.

 

[BikeCentric]

Do you have a link to an online version?

No you have to buy the magazine; they don't put it on line specifically because of this.

I'm in no way affiliated with them by the way and don't think it's all that great of a magazine, but they do have a couple of good articles every month.

 

[BroDeal]

It's also funny/sad that he states that we've been told this by "French teams." When in reality if you go back and look at the early history of American teams such as 7/11 and Motorola all of our top American riders were saying the same thing.

His own countryman, Chris Boardman, said the same thing.

Wigans statements are ridiculous. They shoot holes in his credibility.

 

[BikeCentric]

When people come on here and talk about how effective amphetamines are in comparison to EPO, they either really genuinely have no idea what they are talking about, or they're trolling.

^
This.

The banhammer has come down already.

Bravo Moderators.

 

[Big GMaC]

No you have to buy the magazine; they don't put it on line specifically because of this.

I'm in no way affiliated with them by the way and don't think it's all that great of a magazine, but they do have a couple of good articles every month.

China = Not many mainstream publications, def no CycleSport. Even the guys at my local cycling shop who are very into their cycling (should have a satellite up by next week, WIN) say it is hard to get publications... Thx anyway.

 

[Anonymous]

Do you have a link to an online version?

pretty sure you can buy it online.
http://www.cyclesport.co.uk/

either subscription or single issue. but its really really hard to find the link to buy a single issue. You can usually preview it onscreen but can only zoom twice or something.

 

[Iron Man Sam]

When people come on here and talk about how effective amphetamines are in comparison to EPO, they either really genuinely have no idea what they are talking about, or they're trolling.

Is that what he said? I can't find that anywhere in the thread. What he did refer to was EPO MICRO DOSING and explained that it does not make for an insurmountable difference, just as altitude training - the equivalent of micro dosing - doesn't suddenly transform a rider. He was not comparing EPO full scale to amphetamines.

Are you aware of micro dosing? It's where they take such a little amount to avoid testing positive that it will barely raise the crit even 1%.

It's very easy to test for a drug like amphetamines these days - unlike EPO it is not a natural chemical - so it's not widely used anymore.

The larger issue is, the dope isn't making anything like the difference that it used to with the new controls. That's really what Wiggins is saying. I think he is right. Wiggins is not trolling.

 

[Polish]

It's also funny/sad that he states that we've been told this by "French teams." When in reality if you go back and look at the early history of American teams such as 7/11 and Motorola all of our top American riders were saying the same thing.

Wiggins is talking about the present and the future - not the past.

And it does not matter what the "knowlegable fans" believe.

It is the young riders with the potential to make it in "The Bigs" that will be faced with the choice of cheating or not. Wiggins positive message can help THOSE guys/gals make smarter decisions and avoid the doping failboat.
Not historical fiction by Joe Papp lol.

 

[Iron Man Sam]

Wiggins is talking about the present and the future - not the past.

And it does not matter what the "knowlegable fans" believe.

It is the young riders with the potential to make it in "The Bigs" that will be faced with the choice of cheating or not. Wiggins positive message can help THOSE guys/gals make smarter decisions and avoid the doping failboat.
Not historical fiction by Joe Papp lol.

Agreed. And Wiggins wasn't attacking the French teams. He was just saying that the mantra can be self defeating.

 

[BroDeal]

Wiggins is not trolling.

But you are.

Back quickly I see.

 

[luckyboy]

Are you aware of micro dosing? It's where they take such a little amount to avoid testing positive that it will barely raise the crit even 1%.

It's very easy to test for a drug like amphetamines these days - unlike EPO it is not a natural chemical - so it's not widely used anymore.

Christ.........

 

[Iron Man Sam]

Old style amphetamines are not a particularly efficient drug though. The athlete is going to be wired up, which will lead to other problems, and they cannot sleep properly. The new stimulants like modafinil get around most of those issues and do increase time to exhaustion, but EPO micro dosing would be a more comfortable choice, as well as being harder to test for.

But in terms of pure benefit on the road there is not much in it.

I think we are fast approaching the period where drugs will make the same difference as they made before the 1990s. We're probably not quite there yet, with some larger blood transfusions still going on, but we're not far off. As the biopassport improves it's going to be harder and harder to gain a significant advantage through doping.

 

[Winterfold]

this guy is so obvious but you lot cannot leave him alone. Just ignore him - he keeps coming back because he knows someone, more often quite a few, will rise every time.

 

[Iron Man Sam]

this guy is so obvious but you lot cannot leave him alone. Just ignore him - he keeps coming back because he knows someone, more often quite a few, will rise every time.

Agreed. Just ignore the people you don't like. Don't pretend they are trolls.

 

[BroDeal]

this guy is so obvious but you lot cannot leave him alone. Just ignore him - he keeps coming back because he knows someone, more often quite a few, will rise every time.

Why should we give him free rein to spew his bullsh!t?

 

[Race Radio]

Is that what he said? I can't find that anywhere in the thread. What he did refer to was EPO MICRO DOSING and explained that it does not make for an insurmountable difference, just as altitude training - the equivalent of micro dosing - doesn't suddenly transform a rider. He was not comparing EPO full scale to amphetamines.

Are you aware of micro dosing? It's where they take such a little amount to avoid testing positive that it will barely raise the crit even 1%.

It's very easy to test for a drug like amphetamines these days - unlike EPO it is not a natural chemical - so it's not widely used anymore.

The larger issue is, the dope isn't making anything like the difference that it used to with the new controls. That's really what Wiggins is saying. I think he is right. Wiggins is not trolling.

New IP address already?

Micro dosing has nothing to do with raising your Hct. It is to keep your off score from going crazy when you slam a bag of blood.

 

[Iron Man Sam]

Why should we give him free rein to spew his bullsh!t?

Why don't you try challenging some it then? All you do is post pictures or say 'hey we got a troll'. Never any substance. Probably because you know nothing I have said is particularly controversial if you give it a moments thought.

Indeed, you and the likes of Blackcat are the guys who want free reign to spout your half witted and contradictory smears on people like Wiggins and Vaughters. You crap your pants when anyone dares to spoil the party with an actual argument.

Why don't you set up your own website if you want to just snipe at riders with no debate allowed.

 

[B.Rasmussen]

Why don't you try challenging some it then? All you do is post pictures or say 'hey we got a troll'. Never any substance. Probably because you know nothing I have said is particularly controversial if you give it a moments thought.

Indeed, you and the likes of Blackcat are the guys who want free reign to spout your half witted and contradictory smears on people like Wiggins and Vaughters. You crap your pants when anyone dares to spoil the party with an actual argument.

Why don't you set up your own website if you want to just snipe at riders with no debate allowed.

Debate is allowed, trolling is not. Reported.

Seek help. Seriously.

 

[Iron Man Sam]

New IP address already?

Micro dosing has nothing to do with raising your Hct. It is to keep your off score from going crazy when you slam a bag of blood.

You're right that it does not raise Hct too much. It is used to stop it dropping off rather than raising it. Altitude training would possibly be even better.

The point is, micro dosing alone is not going to give someone a huge dramatic improvement in performance. Every little helps though.

 

[Iron Man Sam]

Debate is allowed, trolling is not. Reported.

Seek help. Seriously.

Can you point to the trolling post please? Lying should also not be allowed. Indeed, lying is probably more serious than trolling in my book.

 

[cyclelicious]

Why should we give him free rein to spew his bullsh!t?

Why not Bro? You're given free reign here to spout yours.

 

[Race Radio]

Classic troll

Claim that your points are never answered or exposed for the BS they are, even though this has happened many times

Claim that there is no evidence of troll, even though you have been banned over 20 times with hundreds of posts deleted.

Claim persecution for your beliefs, ignoring the disruption caused to the board.

Brag about being able to being able to change IP address in seconds

Invent lies about other forum remembers in order to bait them into responding to your BS.

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