Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Night Rider]

Contador is cleans after all, cycling is clean now.

Go Bertie

From one Contador fan to another, we have Contador, Evans and Valverde riding like it's 2006 all over again. We have a hack that couldn't make it up a hill four years ago without going postie now winning the Tour de France. We may as well invite Rasmussen and the Cobra back and include them as part of the clean or newly reformed generation as well.

I know it was probably a tongue in cheek comment but this clean now mantra is wearing a bit thin.

 

[bigcog]

Having just read this CAS arbitration document I am at loss how anyone can think this guy was/is clean:

http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5648/5048/0/Award20FINAL202012.02.10.pdf

 

[Benotti69]

Having just read this CAS arbitration document I am at loss how anyone can think this guy was/is clean:

http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5648/5048/0/Award20FINAL202012.02.10.pdf

Dont think anyone thinks Contador was/is clean. Just look at the DS he has ridden and is riding for.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Dont think anyone thinks Contador was/is clean. Just look at the DS he has ridden and is riding for.

CAS says he is most likely clean hence he is most likely clean

jk

 

[The Hitch]

CAS says he is most likely clean hence he is most likely clean

jk

They didn't say that btw.

 

[Nilsson]

Dont think anyone thinks Contador was/is clean. Just look at the DS he has ridden and is riding for.

This kind of reasoning likely makes me a hot chick...

 

[LaFlorecita]

They didn't say that btw.

Okay

CAS said he most likely didn't ingest the clen intentionally.

 

[del1962]

Okay

CAS said he most likely didn't ingest the clen intentionally.

I don't think the clen was ingested that day, most likely was ingested earlier in the season, at least that is the impression I get reading WADA's submission.

 

[Benotti69]

This kind of reasoning likely makes me a hot chick...

You are, you are

 

[Benotti69]

I don't think the clen was ingested that day, most likely was ingested earlier in the season, at least that is the impression I get reading WADA's submission.

Probably ingested in October.......

 

[roundabout]

Dont think anyone thinks Contador was/is clean. Just look at the DS he has ridden and is riding for.

just look at who his 'coach' was

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't think the clen was ingested that day, most likely was ingested earlier in the season, at least that is the impression I get reading WADA's submission.

Remember, Contador did beat a polygraph test in which he was asked whether he'd undergone a blood transfusion

 

[bigcog]

Remember, Contador did beat a polygraph test in which he was asked whether he'd undergone a blood transfusion

Not hard for an inveterate liar

 

[sniper]

Remember, Contador did beat a polygraph test in which he was asked whether he'd undergone a blood transfusion

Who were present when he did that test?
Probably nobody except for a whole lot of american presidents.

 

[hrotha]

Who were present when he did that test?
Probably nobody except for a whole lot of american presidents.

Biatch we don't print no American presidents on our Euro bills.

 

[Siriuscat]

Not hard for an inveterate liar

In that case Froome and the rest will have no hassles with theirs either

Your comment ref the CAS document....It's called due process, the CAS panel is created to arbitrate on the rules of the previous proceedings, nothing else. CAS said that neither party could confirm absolutely where the contamination came from but that strict liability applied... EVERYTHING else spouted by the clinic scientists is conjecture, it may be true on the other hand it may be false

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Who were present when he did that test?
Probably nobody except for a whole lot of american presidents.

The problem with polygraph tests is they can be unreliable because of the 1. underlying assumptions about physiological arousal, 2. the questioning technique used, 3. their subjectivity, 4. and counter-measures that can disguise physiological arousal and 5 the experience and skill of the examiner in analyzing the results. Their results are inadmissible as evidence in courts.

However defence lawyers will often get a private polygraph test done because 1. Lay people who run cycling organizations often do not understand how unreliable the tests can be, 2. Most law enforcement people many of whom work in anti-doping believe in these tests.

Therefore a defence lawyer can use a test where his/her client is found to be truthful as a persuasion tool to negotiate a deal for their client in a sanctions case by pointing to the results of a truthful test. Defence lawyers hire private polygraph examiners who are often former police officers.

AC did exactly this. He had a private test which was judged to be truthful by the examiner, and I am sure his lawyers pointed to that test to try and negotiate a behind the scenes deal for a lesser sanction than the 2 years he got.

 

[sniper]

The problem with polygraph tests ....snipped

AC did exactly this. He had a private test which was judged to be truthful by the examiner, and I am sure his lawyers pointed to that test to try and negotiate a behind the scenes deal for a lesser sanction than the 2 years he got.

interestng.
do you think polygraph examiners are bribable?

However defence lawyers will often get a private polygraph test done because 1. Lay people who run cycling organizations often do not understand how unreliable the tests can be, 2. Most law enforcement people many of whom work in anti-doping believe in these tests.

plus, 3. if the client fails the test, they can just ignore it altogether. I think that knowledge gives less tention prior the test (as opposed to doing a polygraph test, say, in front of the judges).

 

[Justico]

interestng.
do you think polygraph examiners are bribable?

plus, 3. if the client fails the test, they can just ignore it altogether. I think that knowledge gives less tention prior the test (as opposed to doing a polygraph test, say, in front of the judges).

was the polygraph expert a bald danish guy ?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

sniper

interestng.

do you think polygraph examiners are bribable?

I think you can always find a "friendly" polygraph examiner.

plus, 3. if the client fails the test, they can just ignore it altogether.

Exactly

I think that knowledge gives less tention prior the test (as opposed to doing a polygraph test, say, in front of the judges)

Polygraph tests are not done in front of judges. They are done with just the examiner and the test subject present. It is the results of polygraph tests as certified by the examiner on paper, that are submitted. They are not submitted to judges because they are not admissible in normal courts.

 

[sniper]

I think you can always find a "friendly" polygraph examiner.

Polygraph tests are not done in front of judges. They are done with just the examiner and the test subject present. It is the results of polygraph tests as certified by the examiner on paper, that are submitted. They are not submitted to judges because they are not admissible in normal courts.

cheers.

This is the guy who examined AC:

US lie detector expert Louis Rovner, who will reportedly use the polygraph analysis of a statement by Contador to try to show he’s telling the truth.
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...y-for-Clenbuterol-positive.aspx#ixzz2zyZhYgz7

From his website:

The most Accurate and Honest Polygraph Testing anywhere at Reasonable Prices!
http://polygraph-west.com/

 

[RobbieCanuck]

cheers.

This is the guy who examined AC:

Dr. Rovner has a PhD from the University of Utah in Psychology. He appears to be a pretty qualified guy from his resume on his website. Contador would have had to pay this guy a ton of money for the test and his opinion.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Who were present when he did that test?
Probably nobody except for a whole lot of american presidents.

Only Dr Rovner. At the hearing the results were also studied by an independent expert, who also concluded he was speaking the truth.

 

[sniper]

At the hearing the results were also studied by an independent expert, [/B]

i'll take your word on that, though a link would be appreciated.

who also concluded he was speaking the truth.

yet we agree AC is an oldschool transfuser, don't we?
So either he 'bought' Dr. Rovner's expert opinion, or he fooled the polygraph test.

 

[LaFlorecita]

i'll take your word on that, though a link would be appreciated.


yet we agree AC is an oldschool transfuser, don't we?
So either he 'bought' Dr. Rovner's expert opinion, or he fooled the polygraph test.

A screenshot will have to do.