Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[SeriousSam]

Read that as a kid. In German, it's called Asterix and the Tour de France.

 

[doperhopper]

oooops, Bertie plans to ride Tour of Beijing - steak attack coming

 

[sniper]

Article in major German newspaper putting massive question marks behind Contador's latest results and quick recovery after injury. More generally the article seriously doubts cycling has cleaned up.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/sa...-contador-leichte-risse-im-monument-1.2158239

it links to another article in the same journal which heads

Alles wieder gut? Von wegen!

. It takes issue with the myth that post-lance cycling has cleaned up its act. It is a reply to the renewed interest in Germany in cycling in general and in transmitting the TdF on TV in particular.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/betrug-im-radsport-alles-wieder-gut-von-wegen-1.2145349

 

[LaFlorecita]

Article in major German newspaper putting massive question marks behind Contador's latest results and quick recovery after injury. More generally the article seriously doubts cycling has cleaned up.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/sa...-contador-leichte-risse-im-monument-1.2158239

it links to another article in the same journal which heads
. It takes issue with the myth that post-lance cycling has cleaned up its act. It is a reply to the renewed interest in Germany in cycling in general and in transmitting the TdF on TV in particular.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/betrug-im-radsport-alles-wieder-gut-von-wegen-1.2145349

 

[sniper]

btw, where's that "how dirty is Saxo Bank?" thread?
According to that first article I linked the answer is "extremely dirty".
Some snippets:

As a team manager Bjarne Riis, among other acts, the former head of dubious CSC team. The coaching staff includes, among other things, Lars Michaelsen (Member of the scandal-ridden Festina selection), Bruno Cenghialta (Member of the scandal-ridden Seguros team) and the Epo-confessed consumers Steven de Jongh.

ouch. But that's not the end of it:

And then there's team-owner Oleg Tinkow, a Russian businessman who became rich with beer and credit card trading. Tinkow, which some refer to as Abramovich of cycling has supported since 2006 various cycling teams, including "Tinkoff Credit Systems", once the employer of Tyler Hamilton. At that time Tinkow said to Hamilton: "I do not care what you do - the main thing, you will not get caught" (what Tinkow denies).

but there's more:

He (Tinkov) is of course strictly against doping. But then it is remarkable how many former doping sinners he has in his team: the once tested positive Daniele Bennati, Michael Rogers and Rory Sutherland, the alleged Fuentes clients Jesus Hernandez and Sergio Paulinho, to Roman Kreuziger.

 

[LaFlorecita]

"He (Tinkov) is of course strictly against doping. But then it is remarkable how many former doping sinners he has in his team: the once tested positive Daniele Bennati, Michael Rogers and Rory Sutherland, the alleged Fuentes clients Jesus Hernandez and Sergio Paulinho, to Roman Kreuziger."

Yeah, let's call all those riders doping sinners without any real evidence. That's German media for ya.

 

[RownhamHill]

"He (Tinkov) is of course strictly against doping. But then it is remarkable how many former doping sinners he has in his team: the once tested positive Daniele Bennati, Michael Rogers and Rory Sutherland, the alleged Fuentes clients Jesus Hernandez and Sergio Paulinho, to Roman Kreuziger."

Yeah, let's call all those riders doping sinners without any real evidence. That's German media for ya.

Sounds like they'd fit in well around here.

 

[sniper]

"He (Tinkov) is of course strictly against doping. But then it is remarkable how many former doping sinners he has in his team: the once tested positive Daniele Bennati, Michael Rogers and Rory Sutherland, the alleged Fuentes clients Jesus Hernandez and Sergio Paulinho, to Roman Kreuziger."

Yeah, let's call all those riders doping sinners without any real evidence. That's German media for ya.

those are all guys who have been linked to doping one way or the other.
so the point stands: Tinkov claiming to be antidoping is laughable looking at what riders he hires.
I think it's a very bold article, and much needed in light of the fact that German TV and German sponsors are showing signs of bad memory.
. Even if the author may not have fact-checked every detail.
The only (big) problem I have with German sports media is that they don't place the same question marks behind soccer and tennis performances.

 

[SeriousSam]

The only (big) problem I have with German sports media is that they don't place the same question marks behind soccer and tennis performances.

I remember reading about a hematocrit study of German footballers having close to 90s cyclist values but officials said that blood tests aren't necessary because football is not an endurance sport.

Which is laughable, because it is and because Dwain Chambers and Marion Jones took EPO.

 

[Andynonomous]

I remember reading about a hematocrit study of German footballers having close to 90s cyclist values but officials said that blood tests aren't necessary because football is not an endurance sport.

Which is laughable, because it is and because Dwain Chambers and Marion Jones took EPO.

The useful idiot that runs tennis's anti-doping program says :
"It may be that tennis is not conducive to EPO. Maybe tennis is not a sport that is driven by a need to maximize stamina, which is what EPO essentially does."

Of course stamina has become a huge contributor to who wins a grand slam tournament these days, and Stuart Miller knows this. He is protecting the top players (who just happen to have the best stamina).

 

[Andynonomous]

I remember reading about a hematocrit study of German footballers having close to 90s cyclist values but officials said that blood tests aren't necessary because football is not an endurance sport.

Which is laughable, because it is and because Dwain Chambers and Marion Jones took EPO.

The useful idiot that runs tennis's anti-doping program says :
"It may be that tennis is not conducive to EPO. Maybe tennis is not a sport that is driven by a need to maximize stamina, which is what EPO essentially does."

With 6 hour semi-finals followed by 6 hour finals, Stuart Miller knows damned well that stamina is a huge part of todays game. Of course the ones with the best stamina, are the top level players, and everyone knows that they are protected.

 

[kingjr]

More generally the article seriously doubts cycling has cleaned up.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/sa...-contador-leichte-risse-im-monument-1.2158239

There is and there will be no such thing as a cleaned up sport. Some degree of containment is the best you can hope for. Media hardly ever bothers to mention that though.

 

[GJB123]

those are all guys who have been linked to doping one way or the other.
so the point stands: Tinkov claiming to be antidoping is laughable looking at what riders he hires.
I think it's a very bold article, and much needed in light of the fact that German TV and German sponsors are showing signs of bad memory.
. Even if the author may not have fact-checked every detail.
The only (big) problem I have with German sports media is that they don't place the same question marks behind soccer and tennis performances.

Or with XC skiing or biathlon to name but a few. Cycling is just the sport Germans love to hate and it makes then forget about all those other sports and doping.

 

[sniper]

Or with XC skiing or biathlon to name but a few. Cycling is just the sport Germans love to hate and it makes then forget about all those other sports and doping.

The contrast between Germany's sceptical view on cycling and Great Britain's blind love for cycling at present couldn't be bigger.

But many Germans still love cycling, which is why German sponsors are again lining up to get a slice of the cake and German TV will probably start transmitting the TdF again (see article i linked previously).

The German press' reluctance to address doping issues in other sports than cycling is indeed annoying. For instnce, you can read many many articles about Mueller Wohlfahrt's miracle methods without the word 'doping' ever being used.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Did they also put questionmarks around der Jens hourrecord? But, at least some part of the media is critical, the rest sings hallelujah.

 

[sniper]

Did they also put questionmarks around der Jens hourrecord? But, at least some part of the media is critical, the rest sings hallelujah.

indeed they didn't.

 

[hrotha]

The German scepticism towards cycling is so one-sided, as if cycling was somehow isolated from the rest of professional sports, I can only describe it as amazingly hypocritical. There's no way in hell I'm going to think it's better than Anglo-Saxon naïvety or Southern European old school wink wink nudge nudge.

 

[The Hitch]

The German scepticism towards cycling is so one-sided, as if cycling was somehow isolated from the rest of professional sports, I can only describe it as amazingly hypocritical. There's no way in hell I'm going to think it's better than Anglo-Saxon naïvety or Southern European old school wink wink nudge nudge.

Yeah,especially since they just won the World cup with ****ing Wolfhart

But the doping that really matters is cyclists on middle class salaries and not footballers raking in 20 mil a year.

 

[Berzin]

Stay on-topic, please. This is a Contador thread.

 

[del1962]

This one?

I have to admit that front page has a certain amount of irony

 

[Netserk]

Yes, it's the first thing I noticed as well. I don't think it's a coincidence.

 

[the sceptic]

True, Contador has suffered more for his doping than the Dawg

 

[del1962]

True, Contador has suffered more for his doping than the Dawg

I think in your enthusiasm to implicte a certain writer has meant you have missed the point.

Let me help

Convicted dopers who have thrived on their return from suspension and self confessed dopers that have thrived after confession include

Contador, Valverde, Riis, Vino, Millar, Ryder,

Those that havent include

Jasckche, Floyd, Tyler, Chicken, Ricco

 

[Netserk]

Why are JV not in the same group as Riis? If anything Riis doesn't belong in the same group as the other mentioned, as he wasn't caught nor confessed only after he was outed (Ryder). Why should he be punished because he confessed?

 

[del1962]

Why are JV not in the same group as Riis? If anything Riis doesn't belong in the same group as the other mentioned, as he wasn't caught nor confessed only after he was outed (Ryder). Why should he be punished because he confessed?

Riis was outed by former soigneur Jeff d'Hont before he confessed though, so it is very much similar to Ryder.