2012 Vuelta. The Return of the King.

[LaFlorecita]

Well then we disagree on Gilberts form.

Didn't you see him attacking all over the place to get the green jersey? He (and other of course) made a two hour long breakaway attempt wich forced HTC to chase so hard that the average speed during those two hours was over 46 km/h! He came second in a sprint only beaten by Cav and at the same time he was climbing probably better than ever? I'd say he was easily in top shape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nBUq8cCHMCw#t=2151s

As I stated, I'm not so sure about Gilbert.

 

[The Hitch]

We should make two threads, one for contador's total annihalition of the vuelta, and one for his WC chances

Lets not jinx his worlds chances. seeing The Great One in stripes is something the whole world wants to see. but he's been a bit of a **** when it comes to one day races, thusfar.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Troll i like contador just was saying he dint appeal how bout you suck my d*** u pr*** i aint a troll if you look i been member for a while i like i just coulnt think of username my fav is the stageracers Andy and Ivan (the king diesel)Basso would be my fav i Know people think basso is pretty boring but i like the giro 06 and 10 the way he climbs is brill he would be my fav.I also love nibbles way underated on this forum bye the way.

Jesus, calm down. Also, you don't like Contador, stop fooling yourself. It's clear you dislike him and there's nothing wrong with that, there are lots of people on this forum that dislike or even hate Alberto.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lets not jinx his worlds chances. seeing The Great One in stripes is something the whole world wants to see. but he's been a bit of a **** when it comes to one day races, thusfar.

Lol now don't exaggerate.

 

[frandy]

Calm down, I don't have a problem with you. I was just wondering.

Yh i just cant help it i was bad at school got kicked out when 13 but started to turn my life round im on a plastering course at college in my 2nd year only been watching cycling for 2 yrs cant get enough of it i bee downloading all the giro,s on cycling torrents some great footage i love MTF.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

England do you no what just put me on ignore and ill do the same i left school in yr 8 which is 12,13 this is doing my headin i cant spell get over it

Is that legal?

 

[frandy]

Is that legal?

I got kicked out dude naughty boy

 

[Walkman]

As I stated, I'm not so sure about Gilbert.

I know what you said, but I was just arguing my point of view, and it would be nice if you could do the same.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I know what you said, but I was just arguing my point of view, and it would be nice if you could do the same.

I don't have a point of view, all I know is that Alberto wasn't in top form back then so you shouldn't read too much out of that Evans-Alberto battle.

 

[The Hitch]

Phil and Alberto weren't in top shape, I guess. I'm not so sure about Phil. I am sure about Alberto, though.

Im more sure about Phil. Phil on top form was riding up the muur like it was a track sprint and then looking around 200m from the end and smiling at Joaquim Rodriguez Igor Anton and Samuel Sanchez dying on their bikes crawling up the hill as if they were theo bos and andrea guardini.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Im more sure about Phil. Phil on top form was riding up the muur like it was a track sprint and then looking around 200m from the end and smiling at Joaquim Rodriguez Igor Anton and Samuel Sanchez dying on their bikes crawling up the hill as if they were theo bos and andrea guardini.

Ah on your opinion I rely.

 

[Panda Claws]

According to Phil he was indeed in top shape during the tour, but he had a bad day that day.

 

[frandy]

ol

 

[The Hitch]

came second in a sprint only beaten by Cav and at the same time he was climbing probably better than ever? I'd say he was easily in top shape.rl]

Lol you are joking right ?
Did you watch cycling outside July in 2011? Gilbert in April was like a mixture of Pantani and Cav.

His July form with a stage and one or two attacks for fun was just a warmdown.

It takes some real strong faith to persuade oneself that Evans beat a top Gilbert in
The tour. i mean some LDS stuff. some see that as a big virtue. not me.

 

[The Hitch]

Ah on your opinion I rely.

Why thank you

According to Phil he was indeed in top shape during the tour, but he had a bad day that day.

Phil also said he wants to try at the tour gc. he may have thought he was on form, but do go from winning 4 races in a row, to 1 out of 21 suggests otherwise.

 

[Walkman]

Lol you are joking right ?
Did you watch cycling outside July in 2011? Gilbert in April was like a mixture of Pantani and Cav.

His July form with a stage and one or two attacks for fun was just a warmdown.

It takes some real strong faith to persuade oneself that Evans beat a top Gilbert in
The tour. i mean some LDS stuff. some see that as a big virtue. not me.

Do you race yourself? (serious question)

Yes I watch cycling all year, whatever that has to do with anything. Show me a clip were Gilbert is climbing better than he did at the Tour, please. You don't seems to understand that at the Tour everybody is in really good shape so it much harder to perform and/or dominate such an event.

 

[The Hitch]

I know what you said, but I was just arguing my point of view, and it would be nice if you could do the same.

Its pretty simple.
1 contador was dropped on 2 mtfs. don't happen if he's on form.
2the giro. Everyone else who did it was feeling the effects in September. contador doing the tour a month later, top form lol you having la laugh?

 

[The Hitch]

Do you race yourself? (serious question)

Yes I watch cycling all year, whatever that has to do with anything. Show me a clip were Gilbert is climbing better than he did at the Tour, please. You don't seems to understand that at the Tour everybody is in really good shape so it much harder to perform and/or dominate such an event.

Im on my phone atm but look up fw 2011.
Then liege 2011 css 2011 and lombardy 2010. And Quebec 2011.

For starters.

 

[Panda Claws]

Why thank you



Phil also said he wants to try at the tour gc. he may have thought he was on form, but do go from winning 4 races in a row, to 1 out of 21 suggests otherwise.

Yeah but I think that's due to his lousy recuperation. I think he was only top during the first week.

 

[Walkman]

Its pretty simple.
1 contador was dropped on 2 mtfs. don't happen if he's on form.
2the giro. Everyone else who did it was feeling the effects in September. contador doing the tour a month later, top form lol you having la laugh?

Read my post please. I was arguing about Gilbert. Never said AC was in top form, why are you putting words in my mout?

Againg, do you race? How much endurance training have you conducted in your life? Because to me, it does not seems at you are talkin otu of experience.

It's a big differnece betewwn climbing a 15+ km mountain and a 1,5 km hill top.

Everyone else who did it was feeling the effects in September.

Didn't Nibali and Scarponi said that they overestimated the efects of the Giro and therefor not trained enough between the Giro and the Vuelta and that was the reason of their lack of showing?

 

[El Pistolero]

Why thank you



Phil also said he wants to try at the tour gc. he may have thought he was on form, but do go from winning 4 races in a row, to 1 out of 21 suggests otherwise.

Actually Phil never said about trying for GC on the Tour, that's what other people want him to do, but they will be very wrong if they think they can manipulate Phil. It might blow up in John Lelangue's face some day

What he actually said was that he would never go for a fifth place in the Tour. He much rather wins classics then. If he'll ever go for the GC in the Tour it will be to win it.

He also said he wasn't in top shape anymore after the first day of the Tour. Besides, Phil still took 3 seconds out of Evans on Super-Besse.

 

[AussieGoddess]

gotta agree with Pisti here. I watched that interview (on one of the rest days) ... he said he wouldnt go for GC for a grand tour. That he couldnt fight for 5th or 6th place. If he could go for a win he might, but he didnt think he ever would.

He also said he prepared for the tour as a one day race. He was there to win yellow on stage 1 and then whatever happened, happened. He tried pretty hard, but never matched his form on day 1.

 

[Parrulo]

Read my post please. I was arguing about Gilbert. Never said AC was in top form, why are you putting words in my mout?

Againg, do you race? How much endurance training have you conducted in your life? Because to me, it does not seems at you are talkin otu of experience.

It's a big differnece betewwn climbing a 15+ km mountain and a 1,5 km hill top.



Didn't Nibali and Scarponi said that they overestimated the efects of the Giro and therefor not trained enough between the Giro and the Vuelta and that was the reason of their lack of showing?

not sure about scarponi but nibali did say that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Only 169 days to go...

155 days until the precious can race again.

 

[airstream]

Its pretty simple.
1 contador was dropped on 2 mtfs. don't happen if he's on form.
2the giro. Everyone else who did it was feeling the effects in September. contador doing the tour a month later, top form lol you having la laugh?

do you realize that everything is far more relative? top form doesnt exclude bad days or tactical mistakes. top form can be beaten by another top form, it the second rider improved more than his opponent. im really wondering how youll comment first serious contador's defeat for no obvious reasons like the giro.projection everything on the giro is too primitive. every case (scarponi, nibali, anton, purito) is induvidual.