Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d'Italia, Stage 13: Borgofranco d’Ivrea – Crans Montana, 199 km (Friday, May 19th)

[Netserk]

Are you claiming that training isn't part of the job?

Where riders train is up to them, mostly. I rarely hear of training accidents on Teide.

 

[Eagle_Alps]

If they had reasons to believe that not even the tunnel could be raced, they could have prepared an alternative stage that started in Martigny and climbed either Planches or Lein first.

Col de Lein has 1km of gravel on top. Just the gimmick the "modern" giro is so fond of ....!

 

[movingtarget]

Also find it a big coincident that during that extreme downpour on stage 10 nobody protested but much more moderate rain is too much

Maybe the threat of avalanches with the ground already soaked...................

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Training is unsafe, cancelling races is the solution

Let's return to my original point about the level of contempt for riders that many cycling fans have. What level would you say you're at? Based on this thread I'm putting it at extreme.

 

[rallybanana]

why not a new sport

Riders ride up every climb but race down the other side in a car with the bike on the roof

Does every rider get their own car? Or does each team have to fit in a single car like a clown car?

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

Training is unsafe, cancelling races is the solution

Well, considering that the riders thought "Second descent is dangerous, let's cancel first one" it is reasonable

 

[Netserk]

Let's return to my original point about the level of contempt for riders that many cycling fans have. What level would you say you're at? Based on this thread I'm putting it at extreme.

Contempt for some, admiration for others. Geez, I don't treat all members of a group as a blob.

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Where riders train is up to them, mostly. I rarely hear of training accidents on Teide.

What percentage of the pro peloton (including those below WT level and riders on other continents) would you say can afford to train there? I know facts are irrelevant and you're incapable of being anything other than disingenuous.

 

[hrotha]

the level of contempt for riders that many cycling fans have.

Why would that be I wonder

 

[DNP-Old]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659519768364306432

View: https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/status/1659519768364306432


Holy sh!t, brutal weather I must say.

 

[Netserk]

What percentage of the pro peloton (including those below WT level and riders on other continents) would you say can afford to train there? I know facts are irrelevant and you're incapable of being anything other than disingenuous.

Everyone can afford a stationary bike.

And I couldn't care less about their private economy. It's their private concern, not a public concern. If cycling doesn't pay enough, find another job. That's what I do, and I'm quite satisfied with the money I earn now (which is still less than the median pro, I think).

 

[Peyroteo94]

This peloton is a bunch of cowards. They didn't want to ride Grand Bernard so let's find an excuse. This is not the sport I fall in love almost 3 decades ago.

 

[Red Rick]

Let's return to my original point about the level of contempt for riders that many cycling fans have. What level would you say you're at? Based on this thread I'm putting it at extreme.

I have contempt for Vegni, not the riders to be honest.

 

[Aimar16]

The helicopter was offered to all teams, but they had to pay for it. Two other team used it, one was Barhain, the other one i dont'remember. Now i do not know if SQS had maybe a discount or if it was totally free for them, or if they had to pay full price.

Third team was Bora. Lefevere said that they had known since Milan-SanRemo when they spoke to the Giro organisers that they would use a helicopter after that stage

 

[Netserk]

Even by your low standards the level of trolling is slipping.

So how is their private economy a public concern? Are you unable to stick to the subject?

 

[noob]

why not a new sport

Riders ride up every climb but race down the other side in a car with the bike on the roof

Or they ride up the climb and carry their bikes on their shoulders on the descent. Like reversed cyclocross

 

[OlavEH]

Even by your low standards the level of trolling is slipping.

Who is trolling here is really a matter of perspective........

 

[Tim Cahill]

Don't see how this makes the stage any safer looking at the profile?

There's going to be a much bigger group absolutely bombing that wet descent now.

Edit: here it is

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659516029469356033

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So... are we expecting fireworks from the start? Are more guys at risk of finishing OTL compared to the original stage? I'm not sure this is good news for a lot of riders. I expect the tempo to be high immediately if not for GC, then for the break at least, with the peloton splitting early as a result.

 

[yaco]

No they won't.

Cut 40k of any of stages ridden so far this week and nothing would change.

My post specifically refers to flat stages - Of course on average an 180km stage is ridden harder than a 220km flat stage.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Don't see how this makes the stage any safer looking at the profile?

There's going to be a much bigger group absolutely bombing that wet descent now.

Yeah it's stupid. Croix de coeur is far more dangerous than GSB and now there will be much bigger groups racing faster there as you say.

In ideal world they would race GSB and skip CDC but that would mean like 50km of valley to crans Montana. Which negates the climb. To be honest it would have been safer to do the full 200km than what they do now.

 

[Tour de Berghem]

To start debating about the now incoming race.

Interesting

Shorter is harder; timegap difference between short and long mountain stages

How does the length of a mountain stage effect the timegaps between the GC riders? From analysis it seems that the timegaps in a short stage are significant bigger than in long stages.

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[SafeBet]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659525367013552131

View: https://twitter.com/HansenAdam/status/1659525367013552131?s=20

 

[hrotha]

My post specifically refers to flat stages - Of course on average an 180km stage is ridden harder than a 220km flat stage.

"Of course". Let's see the data backing that statement

 

[Netserk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659525367013552131

View: https://twitter.com/HansenAdam/status/1659525367013552131?s=20

"According to the regulations, which outline freezing rain as point 1 and extreme temperatures as point 4 during certain parts of today's route"

Can they document either of the two on the route?