Are you a Vegetarian?

[Polyarmour]

There has been many studies done on violent inmates that were put onto a vegan diet in prison and didnt re offend. To my knowledge there hasnt been a single case of a convicted vegan rapist. How on earth would we know that? Cos when you get locked up, you specify your dietary preference. But a vegan mate of mine thinks its just cos there is such a massive vegan female to vegan male ratio that you get laid more often..

Well that's an interesting comment. So eating vegan turns you into a pacifist? Or is it that eating meat gives you more testosterone? Or are there no vegan rapists because the type of people drawn to veganism are usually non violent pacifist types anyway?

 

[CentralCaliBike]

I was a vegetarian until I went to college - I swam for three hours a day prior to college and had an otherwise active lifestyle that did not seem to be effected much.

 

[Polyarmour]

Well I'm inspired by all these comments to have another go at going vego.

 

[Anonymous]

desperate

Well I'm inspired by all these comments to have another go at going vego.

if you're that desperate to get laid (see above) you probably have other problems.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

There has been many studies done on violent inmates that were put onto a vegan diet in prison and didnt re offend. To my knowledge there hasnt been a single case of a convicted vegan rapist. How on earth would we know that? Cos when you get locked up, you specify your dietary preference. But a vegan mate of mine thinks its just cos there is such a massive vegan female to vegan male ratio that you get laid more often..

maybe because there are almost no vegans in comparison to meat-eaters? The human kind is an omnivoric one, which means it's digestive system is designed for meat, fruit and vegetable digestion.(obviously) I don't think meat makes one more crazy than he's born to be nor do vegetables or fruits. That is as long as the meat is not infected with bacteria that trigger Jacob-Creutzfeldt etc...

 

[lostintime]

This is where the label of vegetarianism seems to take an odd turn for me.

Vegans/Vegetarians can be, and are just as fanatical as meat eaters. Diet has nothing to do with it. Consciousness does.

If V/V eating truly made people conscious, there would be no need to defend the practice.

A fully conscious, awakened person will not, by choice .... harm themselves , let alone others. If there is nothing to defend, there is nothing to fight.

All this sounds so simple, but it is very difficult to live.

In truth ..... something has to die for us to eat, unless you just eat fruits and nuts. This leads to an unbalanced state of health though.

 

[marathon marke]

In truth ..... something has to die for us to eat, unless you just eat fruits and nuts. This leads to an unbalanced state of health though.

Fruits have seeds, so unless you plant the seeds that nature would have otherwise done, we are stopping/killing off more possible life. But what if the vegetarian says, " I saved and planted the seeds before I ate the fruit." Then the meat eater might say in response, "I bred the cow before I slaughtered it".

I have chicken on the grill as I write, and a huge garden salad waiting at the table.

 

[TopCarbon]

I have chicken on the grill as I write, and a huge garden salad waiting at the table.

you are righteous

 

[Tapeworm]

Fruits have seeds, so unless you plant the seeds that nature would have otherwise done, we are stopping/killing off more possible life.

Nitpicking here... many plants and their subsequent seeds actual require to be eaten, digested and passed out to propagate the species. NOT being eaten kills them off. Though I don't think cows can claim the same.

 

[Tapeworm]

This is where the label of vegetarianism seems to take an odd turn for me.

Vegans/Vegetarians can be, and are just as fanatical as meat eaters. Diet has nothing to do with it. Consciousness does.

If V/V eating truly made people conscious, there would be no need to defend the practice.

A fully conscious, awakened person will not, by choice .... harm themselves , let alone others. If there is nothing to defend, there is nothing to fight.

All this sounds so simple, but it is very difficult to live.

In truth ..... something has to die for us to eat, unless you just eat fruits and nuts. This leads to an unbalanced state of health though.

Though you cannot deny that certain things - when ingested - alter the state of mind. Alcohol being one. Many other things found in nature can alter brainwave patterns. Magic mushroom would be an extreme example of this. Studies of omega 3 fatty acids have shown to change behaviour in children, becoming more attentive and improved concentration. But smaller more subtle effects MAY result from the foods we eat on a more regular basis.

Food for thought.

 

[Polyarmour]

if you're that desperate to get laid (see above) you probably have other problems.

When you have a wife like mine you don't need to go looking elsewhere Jeff.

 

[dsut4392]

To answer the OP, no.

I eat vego probably 4 days a week, and mostly when I do eat meat, it's fish (my wife doesn't eat land animals, so I tend to cook things we can both eat).

However after a big ride I do crave meat (or chicken or egg), and simply eating beans or lots of carbs doesn't satisfy the craving.

Each to their own IMO - too many vegans/vegos treat their diet as fanatically as a religion. Feel free to feel good on a vegan diet, but please don't try and push it on me

 

[Polyarmour]

In truth ..... something has to die for us to eat, unless you just eat fruits and nuts. This leads to an unbalanced state of health though.

In this statement and others I have read from you it seems you are equating the life of a plant with the life of an animal. That is you seem to be saying there is no moral difference between killing a plant or killing an animal? Correct me if I have you wrong here.

 

[TopCarbon]

In this statement and others I have read from you it seems you are equating the life of a plant with the life of an animal. That is you seem to be saying there is no moral difference between killing a plant or killing an animal? Correct me if I have you wrong here.

then you have stuff like this that makes you wonder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElJFYwRtrH4&feature=player_embedded

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Wow! Watching that, it's easy to see why Dave Foreman left EarthFirst! and moved on to the Sierra Club, and ultimately their board of directors. Oddly enough, Foreman who was a co-founder of EF, was also at one time a hunter and angler. He still may be. Not trying to point the guy out to be a hypocrite - his stance probably only softened a little over time, but merely to point out he probably didn't realize that after writing such a detailed book as The Big Outside, inventorying all of the United States wilderness, including fauna and flora information and why it should be protected, his organization would attract slews of people like those seen in that video.

Sorry for the digression. I hope in the spirit of the thread it shows the extremes people take things, beyond their original inception. Something that applies to some vegan viewpoints I suppose.

 

[Polyarmour]

Wow, ...and most of them looked fat to me. I wonder if they "mourn the loss" of all those chips they must be eating?

 

[marathon marke]

you are righteous

Well, I don't know about that. LOL But I do know that I am full and satisfied!

 

[marathon marke]

Nitpicking here... many plants and their subsequent seeds actual require to be eaten, digested and passed out to propagate the species. NOT being eaten kills them off.

Really? I wasn't aware of that. Seriously, what are these plants? I find that fascinating, especially that a seed could be digested and still grow afterwards.

 

[Tapeworm]

Really? I wasn't aware of that. Seriously, what are these plants? I find that fascinating, especially that a seed could be digested and still grow afterwards.

Well I suggest some research! Endozoochory (or zoochory) is one the major ways plants distribute seeds along with wind (anemochory) and water (hydrochory). Some plants REQUIRE the seed to pass through digestive juices to help trigger the germination process. It's the main reason why fruits are covered in an oh so sweet fleshy exterior.

Same sort of thing with flowers and bees etc, a symbiotic relationship.

 

[Barracuda]

I must admit although previously being sceptical to the whole vego thing that after a big feed of meat ... although extremely tasty and satisfiying at the time.... I do tend to feel bloated and a bit crook after a while.

Had a great warm chicken salad the other day, with minimal chicken and a heap of lettuce, tomato, feta cheese etc. and felt a million dollars.

Whats with that ??? I dont class myself as being remotely vegetarian .... or maybe I should be...???

 

[Polyarmour]

I must admit although previously being sceptical to the whole vego thing that after a big feed of meat ... although extremely tasty and satisfiying at the time.... I do tend to feel bloated and a bit crook after a while.

Had a great warm chicken salad the other day, with minimal chicken and a heap of lettuce, tomato, feta cheese etc. and felt a million dollars.

Whats with that ??? I dont class myself as being remotely vegetarian .... or maybe I should be...???

Thin end of the wedge Barracuda. I've been vego for two weeks now and I'm feeling pretty good. Won my race on the weekend, feeling really strong during training, went up my local hill in a PB time. If this continues... I'll be a convert.

 

[marathon marke]

I have to agree about feeling great when off of meat. I do a "cleansing" 2 or 3 times a year. One of the things that gets eliminated during that 2 week period is meat. Even after just one week, I have a lightness and energy that even the best double-espresso cannot compete with. I think I'll be moving more and more into this direction myself. After all, if I ate better all the time, I obviously wouldn't need these cleansings!

 

[marathon marke]

Well I suggest some research!

Thanks, Tapeworm, but I just thought since you are knowledgeable on this subject, you could provide some examples.

Same sort of thing with flowers and bees etc, a symbiotic relationship.

Yes, that's something I've been aware of for some time now. I'm referring to examples of plants that you initially brought up, those that require the seeds to actually be digested.

Thanks.

 

[hughmoore]

I have to agree about feeling great when off of meat. I do a "cleansing" 2 or 3 times a year. One of the things that gets eliminated during that 2 week period is meat. Even after just one week, I have a lightness and energy that even the best double-espresso cannot compete with. I think I'll be moving more and more into this direction myself. After all, if I ate better all the time, I obviously wouldn't need these cleansings!

I think there is definately something to be said about cleansing. If I stay off the booze (alcohol) for more than two days, i find my riding improves. Not sure about staying off meat though.

Barracuda, in the free form chaos thread you talked about eating Dolphins, maybe if you stopped, you would feel better.

Regards


Hugh

 

[Tapeworm]

Thanks, Tapeworm, but I just thought since you are knowledgeable on this subject, you could provide some examples.



Yes, that's something I've been aware of for some time now. I'm referring to examples of plants that you initially brought up, those that require the seeds to actually be digested.

Thanks.

The process of digestion triggering the germination process is one of scarification. This can also involve being gnawed by rodent s, half eaten etc. So digestion ain't all bad for the seeds, that is if you plan to er... evacuate them into the wild