Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[Zam_Olyas]

The thing in Cadel's favour is his appearance. Someone that looks like he is putting that much effort into every climb has to be clean

The thing.

 

[stutue]

I agree - stronger will to win = more likely to dope, especially in a sport like cycling.

Forget trying to second guess people's motivational levels and whether that relates to likelihood of cheating.

There really is no telling. Winners and losers...they've all doped.

 

[blackcat]

Forget trying to second guess people's motivational levels and whether that relates to likelihood of cheating.

There really is no telling. Winners and losers...they've all doped.

no, but you can guess about them competing against other riders and the other riders motivational levels, and the chances/percentage of riders who dope at the pointy end of the peloton and the podium

 

[blackcat]

The thing.

what about his chin? Did he take a pen and hammer to it?

 

[Walkman]

Evans right now. 37 years old. Just ridiculous

Sour grapes much?

Of all the **** we have witness you call this ridiculous?! You must be so angry right now. This doesn't even register on the scale compared to Sestriere, Verbier or Robobasso to name a few.

 

[Walkman]

Maybe one day you will understand that will to win can only take an athlete so far and that there is not a atom of evidence that the will to win of a clean athlete is any greater than that of a doped one.

Maybe one day you will understand that there is a difference between athletes who get's rushed to the hospital due to lack of oxygen in the brain and those who just sit down for a while after competing…

Motivation got Per Elofsson 3 World Championships and two World Cup titles. The will to win matter big time. Period.

 

[Netserk]

Sour grapes much?

Of all the **** we have witness you call this ridiculous?! You must be so angry right now. This doesn't even register on the scale compared to Sestriere, Verbier or Robobasso to name a few.

Butthurt much?

 

[Walkman]

Butthurt much?

No, I am quite open to the idea of Cadel and doping.

But Hitch, who started the "piti coming home-thread" coming here just to provoke is just pathetic. His performance wasn't anything special.

Also, "butthurt"? What are you, fourteen years old?

 

[Netserk]

No, I am quite open to the idea of Cadel and doping.

But Hitch, who started the "piti coming home-thread" coming here just to provoke is just pathetic. His performance wasn't anything special.

Also, "butthurt"? What are you, fourteen years old?

So butthurt it is.

 

[Walkman]

So butthurt it is.

Danskjävel!

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe one day you will understand that there is a difference between athletes who get's rushed to the hospital due to lack of oxygen in the brain and those who just sit down for a while after competing…

Motivation got Per Elofsson 3 World Championships and two World Cup titles. The will to win matter big time. Period.

The clean will to win, will not beat the doped will to win.

 

[The Hitch]

But Hitch, who started the "piti coming home-thread" coming here just to provoke is just pathetic. His performance wasn't anything special.

As well as the Schleck appreciation thread, the Wiggins appreciation thread, the congratulations Cadel Evans on winning the Tour de France appreciation thread.

Oh and I also started the Valverde doping thread on here.

Kind of destroys your argument, doesn't it?

 

[Walkman]

The clean will to win, will not beat the doped will to win.

Well it depends. If both "will" are equally strong it comes down to genetics and muscular fiber types. You can't change your fiber types in any significant amount after a certain age from what I understand. If you don't have many Type IIX fibers you will never beat Cavendish in a sprint, no matter how much dope you take.

But if they are both evenly matched with regards to physical attributes, well it stands to reason that the doped will to win will prevail.

 

[Walkman]

As well as the Schleck appreciation thread, the Wiggins appreciation thread, the congratulations Cadel Evans on winning the Tour de France appreciation thread.

Oh and I also started the Valverde doping thread on here.

Kind of destroys your argument, doesn't it?

No, for me it does not matter. How can you welcome a doped rider back to the sport?

If Cadel was convicted I would never want to see him riding a bike again. Doper has no place in this sport and this will always be my opinion. Hence I can not understand how you could be happy of the return of a proven cheater.

 

[Benotti69]

I think when we look at history and how much an effect doping has since the invention of oxygen vector doping, the best responders with a will to win have shown that nothing clean comes near.....there is too much 'sports science' where the best responders are going to win out over all others, that is taking into account that nearly all who get to the top are there because they have a certain high level of 'will to win'....

 

[TANK91]

Evans is on the good stuff this year, he dropped Pozzovivo like a stone that would never happpen last year not a chance.

 

[BYOP88]

Evans is on the good stuff this year, he dropped Pozzovivo like a stone that would never happpen last year not a chance.

Evans dropping anyone is dodgy.

 

[Walkman]

Evans is on the good stuff this year, he dropped Pozzovivo like a stone that would never happpen last year not a chance.

Why was AC so weak in 2012 compared to 2011?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

The Hitch
Maybe one day you will understand that will to win can only take an athlete so far and that there is not a atom of evidence that the will to win of a clean athlete is any greater than that of a doped one.

You are correct except that the doped athlete has more of an incentive to rely on the dope than the desire. You don't strike me as someone who has played competitive sports at a high level. I have. Several sports. And the psychological factors in competition are huge. There are studies I have not had a chance to look up that show for example that Olympic athletes with less talent will out perform those with more talent where they are motivated to win. You have a very cynical understanding of the human psyche.

The way you always talk, an athlete with a sufficiently large will to win would be able to train 15 hours a day.

Where did I say this. Your penchant for putting words on other peoples mouths runs unabated. Experienced athletes understand the need for training cycles where rest is just as important as training. You are pretty naïve.

The reality is the body begins to shut down after a certain amount of effort and training becomes counterproductive. In fact an athlete who is taking peds will be able to train longer and harder because drugs will allow the body to recover in a way that simply wishing it will not.

Maybe. But when you stress a muscle, it causes microscopic tears and needs rest. Sure PEDs can help with that recovery, but that does not mean the doped athlete will necessarily outperform the non-doped one all the time. It may be more likely they will, but smart training works as well.

You don't raise your hematocrit by 20% simply by thinking - oh I really want my hematocrit to go up and voila. No more than I can make a billion dollars appear by my side simply by wishing it. But hey, maybe contador and Evans can, seeing as they have such strong willpower they already transcend biology. What chance does physics have

You really are naïve if you think, I think hematocrit is not a biological process. As a result your comment is just plain stupid. But every person's biological makeup is different so that when using a PED the degree to which a person's physiological make up responds to the PED is different and it also depends on ones average base hematocrit to begin with.

Edit, lol no posts in 6 hours then 3 in the space of seconds.

Yeah well, maybe I have better things to do with my time than obsess over what people write on this forum. When it comes to understanding the psychology of competition you are obviously way out of your depth!

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Moreover, this whole 'will to win' nonsense suggests dopers are just lazy. Does anyone actually think folks like Pharmstrong did not have a very strong will to win? I'd say sometimes this 'will' leads people down the wrong path.

You are very naïve. You obviously don't understand the psyche of an athlete. Dopers are lazy. That's why they cheat. You do not understand LA. He did not have the will to win, but rather a dysfunctional will not to lose. He was (is) psychopathic in this regard. There is a huge difference.

I don't know what sports you played but if I was your coach with your attitude ("the will to win nonsense") you would be gone in a nanosecond.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Rhetorical question.

Who has the bigger will to win

Athlete a) "I would do anything to win."

Athlete b) "I'd Do Anything for win (But I Won't Do That)"

Neither because you are trying to make a distinction without a difference. Try and come up with something less simplistic and arcane.

 

[darwin553]

Evans is on the good stuff this year, he dropped Pozzovivo like a stone that would never happpen last year not a chance.

He never dropped Matthews - maybe Matthews is on the good stuff too??

 

[stutue]

no, but you can guess about them competing against other riders and the other riders motivational levels, and the chances/percentage of riders who dope at the pointy end of the peloton and the podium

You can guess, yes. But a guess is just a guess..

At the pointy end of the peloton these people are highly abnormal and I don't think you van safely second guess their motivations.

To be clear, I'm thinking more of the mistakes you might make if you guess somebody is clean.

 

[Ferminal]

Evans is on the good stuff this year, he dropped Pozzovivo like a stone that would never happpen last year not a chance.

Except the three times he dropped him last year.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Evans is on the good stuff this year, he dropped Pozzovivo like a stone that would never happpen last year not a chance.

Diffrence in form isn't a good indication for doping. There can be a lot reasons for that, motivation for example or training the wrong way. It's suspicious performances that are and indicator.
Evans has had two below par seasons before he re emerged as a GC podium finisher last year. Why, being on the same team, would he have changed his program? I don't believe he is clean, but I also really don't think that form is a good indicator at all. if there ar comparable results before that. It's not that he's done anything he's not been capable of before his weaker times. He didn't go from no one to hero at all.

Coming back to form, or getting better over time is just as bad an indicator as "looking exhausted at the end of a climb" is. It doesn't tell us anything at all really. Going from Ostrich to Eagle might, but maybe that might not. Watts/KG is what we can somehow rely on.