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DNP-Old said:I'm thankful I got to watch the greatest of his generation doing greatest of his generation things one last time.
MacBAir said:Congrats Fabian! You are a legend!
2 olympic golds + 1 olympic RR silver + 4 TT titles + many Tour wins + 4,567 * 10^37 days in yellow + Suisse + Tirreno + 3 RVV + 3 PR + 1 MSR
You madman!!
SO, SHOULD HE RETIRE TODAY, WITH ALL THE GLORY, OR GO FOR THE FIFTH TT TITLE/ (GOD FORBID) ROAD RACE TITLE?
Gigs_98 said:After all the bad luck he has had this year it's just great that he won one last big race. I hope he won't immediately retire and rides some more races. He could try to win the vuelta ITT or he could ride eneco and canadian classics. And then he should ofc. win the WC RR with an attack on the last kilometer and ride one more season because he can't just retire when he has the rainbow jersey. :lol:
I think even if it was a tactical mistake it's always kind of unlucky to not really have a chance to win when you are so strong, but thats something personal, I see your point. Anyway he was unlucky in E3 with a mechanical which cost him his chance to win, in gent welvegem he got cramps on the last kilometers and in the giro he got ill before the ITT, which might have cost him a pink jersey. Moreover PR would have been completely different if he hadn't been unlucky by being caught behind a crash, so I consider this as unlucky too.PremierAndrew said:Gigs_98 said:After all the bad luck he has had this year it's just great that he won one last big race. I hope he won't immediately retire and rides some more races. He could try to win the vuelta ITT or he could ride eneco and canadian classics. And then he should ofc. win the WC RR with an attack on the last kilometer and ride one more season because he can't just retire when he has the rainbow jersey. :lol:
That's simply not true. He had bad luck in 2012 and 2015, and well, he was unlucky at MSR (but unlikely to win that anyway), but him being too stupid to follow the one guy he had to mark at RVV and then crashing himself at PR had nothing to do with luck. Unlucky to be caught behind the crash that caused the early split but he still messed up himself too
(And I'm a Canc fan in case you hadn't noticed )
Well, apart from Gent-Wevelgem and Ronde Van Vlaanderen, there's no doubt that Fabian's main goals have been influenced by bad luck this year. In any case, I'm actually happy he was unlucky in E3, so we had the pleasure of seeing a determined Spartacus claw back 2 minutes in majestic fashion. Even if he could have won the race without the bad luck, it was a nice reminder of 2011 E3, where he smashed the field despite multiple mechanicals (My personal favourite Fabian moment).Gigs_98 said:I think even if it was a tactical mistake it's always kind of unlucky to not really have a chance to win when you are so strong, but thats something personal, I see your point. Anyway he was unlucky in E3 with a mechanical which cost him his chance to win, in gent welvegem he got cramps on the last kilometers and in the giro he got ill before the ITT, which might have cost him a pink jersey. Moreover PR would have been completely different if he hadn't been unlucky by being caught behind a crash, so I consider this as unlucky too.PremierAndrew said:Gigs_98 said:After all the bad luck he has had this year it's just great that he won one last big race. I hope he won't immediately retire and rides some more races. He could try to win the vuelta ITT or he could ride eneco and canadian classics. And then he should ofc. win the WC RR with an attack on the last kilometer and ride one more season because he can't just retire when he has the rainbow jersey. :lol:
That's simply not true. He had bad luck in 2012 and 2015, and well, he was unlucky at MSR (but unlikely to win that anyway), but him being too stupid to follow the one guy he had to mark at RVV and then crashing himself at PR had nothing to do with luck. Unlucky to be caught behind the crash that caused the early split but he still messed up himself too
(And I'm a Canc fan in case you hadn't noticed )
Cance > TheRest said:Well, apart from Gent-Wevelgem and Ronde Van Vlaanderen, there's no doubt that Fabian's main goals have been influenced by bad luck this year. In any case, I'm actually happy he was unlucky in E3, so we had the pleasure of seeing a determined Spartacus claw back 2 minutes in majestic fashion. Even if he could have won the race without the bad luck, it was a nice reminder of 2011 E3, where he smashed the field despite multiple mechanicals (My personal favourite Fabian moment).Gigs_98 said:I think even if it was a tactical mistake it's always kind of unlucky to not really have a chance to win when you are so strong, but thats something personal, I see your point. Anyway he was unlucky in E3 with a mechanical which cost him his chance to win, in gent welvegem he got cramps on the last kilometers and in the giro he got ill before the ITT, which might have cost him a pink jersey. Moreover PR would have been completely different if he hadn't been unlucky by being caught behind a crash, so I consider this as unlucky too.PremierAndrew said:Gigs_98 said:After all the bad luck he has had this year it's just great that he won one last big race. I hope he won't immediately retire and rides some more races. He could try to win the vuelta ITT or he could ride eneco and canadian classics. And then he should ofc. win the WC RR with an attack on the last kilometer and ride one more season because he can't just retire when he has the rainbow jersey. :lol:
That's simply not true. He had bad luck in 2012 and 2015, and well, he was unlucky at MSR (but unlikely to win that anyway), but him being too stupid to follow the one guy he had to mark at RVV and then crashing himself at PR had nothing to do with luck. Unlucky to be caught behind the crash that caused the early split but he still messed up himself too
(And I'm a Canc fan in case you hadn't noticed )
Yeah, but the difference is that out of 4 WT cobbles races Sagan still won two. Cancellara who seemed to be as good as him won 0. I'm not saying Sagan wasn't unlucky but it's not as bad to be unlucky but still successful as to be unlucky and win nothing.trucido said:Cance > TheRest said:Well, apart from Gent-Wevelgem and Ronde Van Vlaanderen, there's no doubt that Fabian's main goals have been influenced by bad luck this year. In any case, I'm actually happy he was unlucky in E3, so we had the pleasure of seeing a determined Spartacus claw back 2 minutes in majestic fashion. Even if he could have won the race without the bad luck, it was a nice reminder of 2011 E3, where he smashed the field despite multiple mechanicals (My personal favourite Fabian moment).Gigs_98 said:I think even if it was a tactical mistake it's always kind of unlucky to not really have a chance to win when you are so strong, but thats something personal, I see your point. Anyway he was unlucky in E3 with a mechanical which cost him his chance to win, in gent welvegem he got cramps on the last kilometers and in the giro he got ill before the ITT, which might have cost him a pink jersey. Moreover PR would have been completely different if he hadn't been unlucky by being caught behind a crash, so I consider this as unlucky too.PremierAndrew said:Gigs_98 said:After all the bad luck he has had this year it's just great that he won one last big race. I hope he won't immediately retire and rides some more races. He could try to win the vuelta ITT or he could ride eneco and canadian classics. And then he should ofc. win the WC RR with an attack on the last kilometer and ride one more season because he can't just retire when he has the rainbow jersey. :lol:
That's simply not true. He had bad luck in 2012 and 2015, and well, he was unlucky at MSR (but unlikely to win that anyway), but him being too stupid to follow the one guy he had to mark at RVV and then crashing himself at PR had nothing to do with luck. Unlucky to be caught behind the crash that caused the early split but he still messed up himself too
(And I'm a Canc fan in case you hadn't noticed )
If you want to talk about bad luck in monuments then spare a thought for Sagan. Unlike Fabian he had a good chance to win MSR if not for Gaviria, and in PR it was Fabian's slide that killed the chase group caught behind that crash.
trucido said:Cance > TheRest said:Well, apart from Gent-Wevelgem and Ronde Van Vlaanderen, there's no doubt that Fabian's main goals have been influenced by bad luck this year. In any case, I'm actually happy he was unlucky in E3, so we had the pleasure of seeing a determined Spartacus claw back 2 minutes in majestic fashion. Even if he could have won the race without the bad luck, it was a nice reminder of 2011 E3, where he smashed the field despite multiple mechanicals (My personal favourite Fabian moment).Gigs_98 said:I think even if it was a tactical mistake it's always kind of unlucky to not really have a chance to win when you are so strong, but thats something personal, I see your point. Anyway he was unlucky in E3 with a mechanical which cost him his chance to win, in gent welvegem he got cramps on the last kilometers and in the giro he got ill before the ITT, which might have cost him a pink jersey. Moreover PR would have been completely different if he hadn't been unlucky by being caught behind a crash, so I consider this as unlucky too.PremierAndrew said:Gigs_98 said:After all the bad luck he has had this year it's just great that he won one last big race. I hope he won't immediately retire and rides some more races. He could try to win the vuelta ITT or he could ride eneco and canadian classics. And then he should ofc. win the WC RR with an attack on the last kilometer and ride one more season because he can't just retire when he has the rainbow jersey. :lol:
That's simply not true. He had bad luck in 2012 and 2015, and well, he was unlucky at MSR (but unlikely to win that anyway), but him being too stupid to follow the one guy he had to mark at RVV and then crashing himself at PR had nothing to do with luck. Unlucky to be caught behind the crash that caused the early split but he still messed up himself too
(And I'm a Canc fan in case you hadn't noticed )
If you want to talk about bad luck in monuments then spare a thought for Sagan. Unlike Fabian he had a good chance to win MSR if not for Gaviria, and in PR it was Fabian's slide that killed the chase group caught behind that crash.
Cannibal72 said:But Cancellara was driving that chase group. If he had been better positioned early on, there's no way Sagan would have been as close as he was to getting back on. Thus Cance's bad luck in crashing seems worse than Sagan in being caught behind that crash.
Isn't he going to ride Giro di Lombardia?tweak37 said:So he is not riding anything serious anymore? He does not seem to be very clear about this, but maybe I missed something.