I don't know why people are talking about Cobo's past history when both riders have been on teams who have folded due to doping scandals, and both teams were run by questionable figures.
You don't know if Cobo recovered or if Froome slowed. Froome put in a massive attack for a long time, it wouldn't be all that surprising if he paid the price for that and it was more of a case of Froome dropping back than Cobo coming forward.Fergoose said:Has anyone ever witnessed such a recovery?
That was certainly my take on it too. Almost going backwards one minute, then out of the saddle and sprinting across a 15%+ gradient the next.webvan said:Froom seemed pretty constant, Cobo literally stalled/cracked and then started pedalling again like he was on a "milk run" (i.e. climbing the Angliru).
Simply that we have seen absurd performances from Cobo in the past (i.e. 2008), whereas we haven't with his rival here. Plus Saunier Duval's cheats were far more high profile and involved in far more ludicrous performances than Barloworlds.luckyboy said:I don't know why people are talking about Cobo's past history when both riders have been on teams who have folded due to doping scandals, and both teams were run by questionable figures.
hrotha wrote that Cobo didn't know the climb. I'd trust him over Harmon and Keenan.luckyboy said:I remember either Harmon or Keenan saying that Cobo had ridden it before. He was born (lives?) 50km west of the climb anyway, so he probably has.
Cobo in Pais Vasco 2007 is probably the most doped up performance of the decade. That says something.EderShamir said:At least Cobo is known to be a good climber. With some lesser results, but a good climber. Froome's performance is just nonsensical.
And obviously I prefer to see a Spanish rider winning over a Kenyan-turned-Brit.
Cobo himself has stated on TV that he had only been there once before. He walked halfway to the climb to watch last year's stage at 3kms from the finish line.roundabout said:hrotha wrote that Cobo didn't know the climb. I'd trust him over Harmon and Keenan.
Indeed it does, considering this performance (see link below) also fit within the time frame.El Pistolero said:Cobo in Pais Vasco 2007 is probably the most doped up performance of the decade. That says something.
Haha, I remember that, but the 50k was even better. Mühlegg made the other skiiers look like he's Usain Bolt starting in a marathon (but never slowing down).Walkman said:
I did mean in cycling thoughWalkman said:
It was this stageWalkman said:
Wow I know pretty much nothing about cross-country skiing but that performance is crazy.Walkman said:
Yup, putting Contador on more than 2 minutes and Bernard Kohl, Cadel Evans and Ezequil Mosquera on more than 4 minutes.roundabout said:
This is kind of crazy! Did he set a record time going up that mountain?El Pistolero said:Yup, putting Contador on more than 2 minutes and Bernard Kohl, Cadel Evans and Ezequil Mosquera on more than 4 minutes.
Hahaha, that quote is, indeed, truly fantastic!spalco said:There's a fantastic quote in Mühlegg's wiki page, no idea if it's true, but I would guess it is:
Mühlegg im ZDF, auf die Frage ob er verbotene Mittel genommen habe: Ich warte die B-Probe ab 
Mühlegg in ZDF answering the question whether he had taken PED's: "I'll wait for the B-sample."
Someone in the "Doping in XC-skiing" thread said he thought it made Sella's ride during the 2008 Giro look like the average Moncoutié ride... Well doesn't that says it all!?luckyboy said:Wow I know pretty much nothing about cross-country skiing but that performance is crazy.
Contador was definiterly trying to win on that stageluckyboy said:Kohl, Contador, Evans, Mosquera were all more than 6 minutes down in the final GC and way out of the top ten.
I don't think beating riders who aren't going all out for the win is much proof of doping.
He was a complete nobody before Cera entered cycling.Duartista said:Still, I'm not sure how you would quantify 'most doped' ride. Santi Perez, Armstrong, Landis, Heras, Isidro Nozal, ET Basso, the Buffalo could all put in strong claims, along with countless others.