Colombia - Coldeportes

[spalco]

Is that "Kenyan" team just a hypothetical idea or does he refer to something concrete there?

sorry for the offtopic.

 

[jens_attacks]

if froome doesn't clone himself this winter in order to get us 8 other froomies,it's just hypothetical

 

[theyoungest]

if froome doesn't clone himself this winter in order to get us 8 other froomies,it's just hypothetical

Who knows what that mysterious virus does to his reproductive abilities.

 

[Duartista]

Chances to get a wildcard for GTs for Coldeportes in next season
I assume Geox will fold.

Giro: 2%
Androni. Acqua e Sapone. Farnese Vini. Colnago. And we already have 22 teams, right? Two US ProConti teams, Skil-Shimano, Cofidis, Christina Watches (possibly). I can't see them in.

Tour: 1%
FDJ and AG2R will be both really likely in WT next year, so there will be 1 wildcard available (Cofidis, Europcar and Saur will get wildcards for sure). And well, I can't seeing Coldeportes beating Skil-Shimano with Kittel, Degenkolb and Geniez. And they are still teams like Bretagne-Schuller - and maybe even NetApp, Team Type 1 or UnitedHealthcare as well. No chance.

Vuelta: 5%
Andalucia and Cofidis will get it for sure, Caja Rujal most probably as well. Then there are Skil-Shimano and two americans ProConti teams as well. Well, almost no chance, but still probably the biggest they have for a GT..

I agree mostly - they have zero chance of a Tour or Giro invite next year, although Prudhomme has said in the past that he would like a Colombian team in the 2013 Tour.

They have a small chance of getting in the Vuelta, if a) Geox have disappeared b) Euskaltel are still in the WT and c) the team formerly known as Skil get into the Tour. Then you would have Andalucia, Caja Rural and Cofidis as wild cards with room for one more, although obviously there would be plenty of competition.

In general I agree with those who say it's a backwards step for Duarte. It's great for the team, and could be a good move in the future, but for now he needs to be riding GTs. He'll turn 26 next year...

 

[Duartista]

CEP and EPM-UNE weren't even close to getting an invite. There are precious few spots in the GTs. The Vuelta will surely invite Andalucía, 1t1AbominationofaName, Geox if they still exist, Euskaltel if they don't get into the WT, possibly Caja Rural. Where does Coldeportes fit in? They might have a shot at the Giro but even that is not a given.

EPM-Une are a continental team - not eligible for GTs. CEPs best riders were all very young and inexperienced...

 

[profff]

duarte will be the captain in all the races he enters.
corti has the chance and relations to get invites in 2012 and more in 2013.
he will bwe happy to run with colombians. that fits his mentality
if he will be healthy,we will see interesting things.

 

[Zaschrona]

No way, they were horrible this year, Bretagne-Schuller would be a better choice as you stated.

They weren't so bad this year, they were almost as good as Cofidis for example, way better than Katusha etc.. They were really active in breakaways (mainly Delaplace, Mangel, Jeandesboz) like every other French team and as well, their main leader - Jerome Coppel - was 14th overall. That's not bad IMO. Bretagne would were way worse than were Saur. No way ASO wouldn't invite a team with rising French star like Jerome Coppel. Bretagne has only small chances, they are like Saur without Coppel and Skil without Kittel/Degenkolb.

I don't Christina will be invited, I just don't see it happening.. Also, what makes you think 2 US ProConti teams will be go? They have the ToC to go to

Well, Giro starts next year in Denmark and that's the only reason, why I think there is a chance they would get the wildcard. But anyway, they won't have ProConti licence for the next season, so it doesn't matter in the end.
And about 2 US ProConti teams, yeah, I agree. I can't believe I forgot about the 4th GT - Tour of California.

 

[Duartista]

duarte will be the captain in all the races he enters.
corti has the chance and relations to get invites in 2012 and more in 2013.
he will bwe happy to run with colombians. that fits his mentality
if he will be healthy,we will see interesting things.

Personally, I was really looking forward to seeing him fully fit in the Giro. Unless RCS completely changes policy, the Giro invites will go to Farnese, Colnago, A & S, and Androni, no?

I don't buy the idea that Corti has such great influence. His presence may even be a negative when it comes to dealing with ASO, given what happened in Barloworld's last Tour.

 

[Escarabajo]

What's fantastic about it? It's a step back in his career. He'll be more comfortable in a Colombian team, of course, but it betrays a lack of ambition.

+111111111111111111

Horrible, horrible news for Colombian cycling fans. This is truly a step backwards.

If this is true, Duarte lacks ambition. He is being stupid with this decision. Sorry, I am just upset at Colombians lack of ambition at times.

And I mostly agree with most posters here that he has zero chance of getting invites to any of the GT's.

 

[Escarabajo]

Fabio Duarte riding for Coldeportes in 2012 official.

Bad news!

 

[Eric8-A]

Even without a GT invite next year, they'll probably make sure they're seen and get some good results to hopefully ensure a spot in either the Giro or the Vuelta. Alot of the riders from Coldeportes are fairly young. Like Duartista mentioned that CEP's best riders were young, a good percentage of Colderportes' riders come from CEP, so that might also play into them not getting an invite.

 

[Escarabajo]

Even without a GT invite next year, they'll probably make sure they're seen and get some good results to hopefully ensure a spot in either the Giro or the Vuelta. Alot of the riders from Coldeportes are fairly young. Like Duartista mentioned that CEP's best riders were young, a good percentage of Colderportes' riders come from CEP, so that might also play into them not getting an invite.

I highly doubt it.

Actually I am happy that Coldeportes team was born and has a bright future.

I am just not happy with Duarte's decision. He is not getting any younger and next year was crucial in getting good results in the GT's.

 

[Peccio89]

At Giro they won't have a chance: Androni won the italian team ranking last year so they are automatically in the Giro.
And i don't see Colnago, Farnese or Acqua e Sapone don't get an invite.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Depends, Farnese might struggle a bit with Visconti no longer there. But I'd expect them to get the invite ahead of Coldeportes (though basing themselves out of Italy is sensible as they might be able to show something in the early season races to get themselves talked about).

Caja Rural are almost a lock for the Vuelta. Guillén already talked of how he felt they weren't yet ready this year "but next year who knows"... and one of the reasons for picking Andalucía last year ahead of them was that there were multiple stages in Andalucía, while Caja Rural's home region (Navarre) was not on the route (and if it had been they already had Euskaltel and Movistar - who are also from Navarre - plus the novelty factor of the País Vasco stages to bring fans in.

Next year, they're starting in Caja Rural's home region.

 

[maltiv]

Depends, Farnese might struggle a bit with Visconti no longer there.

Surely Guardini, Pozzato and Gatto (who, as opposed to Visconti, actually won a stage) should be enough to get an invite.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Surely Guardini, Pozzato and Gatto (who, as opposed to Visconti, actually won a stage) should be enough to get an invite.

You'd think, but all it takes is one high profile injury or doping bust, and it's up in smoke. Gatto is a really entertaining rider and well worth watching - but he's not really one to bank on for an invite. He's more a Christophe Riblon than a Sandy Casar, shall we say.

 

[Michele]

For sure Coldeportes need to start their fireworks early in the season; if they dont get any victory or dont make races much more interesting they wont have many chances.

 

[maltiv]

I had really hoped to see Duarte ride for Contador, that would have been complete carnage. Too bad about Bjarne Riis' money problems.

 

[theyoungest]

I had really hoped to see Duarte ride for Contador, that would have been complete carnage. Too bad about Bjarne Riis' money problems.

I doubt Duarte is that expensive.

 

[Ancares]

I think that the transfer to Coldeportes is a step backwards for Duarte if we think about next season. But it is definetely a step forward for the long-term. He wouldn't lead any WT team, and at Coldeportes he will. I don't know about the other offers he had, but if last winter he couldn't find anything better than Geox, why should he find it now? His season wasn't that good.
Probably they won't ride any GT next year, but for 2013 Corti will manage to make them a more appealing team than Colnago, Saur, Skil-Shimano or Caja Rural.

 

[Peccio89]

You'd think, but all it takes is one high profile injury or doping bust, and it's up in smoke. Gatto is a really entertaining rider and well worth watching - but he's not really one to bank on for an invite. He's more a Christophe Riblon than a Sandy Casar, shall we say.

The fact is that with a lot of sprint stages in first week Guardini is expected to shine against Cav and Petacchi, he was hyped during Giro presentation, and i don't think the organizers will let him out of the race.
Plus they have Pozzato and Gatto that can really be serious contender for hilly stages. So personally i think that Farnese is actually better than coldeportes, even if they don't have big contender for the GC.

and for what concern Acqua e Sapone they have Gazrzelli and Betancour, and according to some rumours the Killer may join them for next season, so they will have a wild card for sure.

Colango will have Modolo, Pozzovivo and the new pros Stefano Locatelli, that is expected to do big things on the mountains, and Battaglin, that already won coppa Sabatini as an intern, and might be their stage hunter guy.

So again, Duarte showed a lot of potential last year, but i don't think Coldeportes deserves a wild card more than these three team.

 

[Escarabajo]

I think that the transfer to Coldeportes is a step backwards for Duarte if we think about next season. But it is definetely a step forward for the long-term. He wouldn't lead any WT team, and at Coldeportes he will. I don't know about the other offers he had, but if last winter he couldn't find anything better than Geox, why should he find it now? His season wasn't that good.
Probably they won't ride any GT next year, but for 2013 Corti will manage to make them a more appealing team than Colnago, Saur, Skil-Shimano or Caja Rural.

That good compare to who? actually I think that after this year he proved that he is a good rider to have in the mountains. This was his first true year in Europe and he made some good development. I doubt that he did not have other offers after what he showed this year. But this is not the first time that he comes back to a Colombian team from Europe. So maybe he is one of those who suffers from being homesick. If that is correct then is too bad because that shows that he can be mentally weak.

And I doubt he is that expensive. Seriously a rider like him is a good bargain for a pro-tour team.

 

[Ancares]

That good compare to who? actually I think that after this year he proved that he is a good rider to have in the mountains. This was his first true year in Europe and he made some good development. I doubt that he did not have other offers after what he showed this year. But this is not the first time that he comes back to a Colombian team from Europe. So maybe he is one of those who suffers from being homesick. If that is correct then is too bad because that shows that he can be mentally weak.

And I doubt he is that expensive. Seriously a rider like him is a good bargain for a pro-tour team.

I mean that his season wasn't as good as it should be so that he could lead a WT team, or so that he could get any better offers than what he got last winter, when he moved to Geox. Of course he made some development and he got offers, but probably these offers weren't any better than the one form Coldeportes.
I don't know if he was homesick, but I think that maybe he moved to Coldeportes because there he will be the team leader, and if he can win a GT, he will have the opportunity there. But would he have it in Saxo, Liquigas or Lampre?

 

[will10]

I can see Coldeportes getting a Wild Card for the Giro ahead of either Acqua or Farnese. Acqua don't have a huge amount to offer other than older-than-time Garzelli.

 

[The Hitch]

I can see Coldeportes getting a Wild Card for the Giro ahead of either Acqua or Farnese. Acqua don't have a huge amount to offer other than older-than-time Garzelli.

Who is the reigning KOM champion, loved by the Tifosi and has prolongued his career by 1 year just for this race.

And Betancour has just won 1 of their major races so is probably more on RCS radar than Duarte.

Colnago aside from Sasha and Dominco, also have Belletti and Pirazzi so good strengh in depth.

Farnese are the weakest imo but still have way more chance of getting an entry than Coledeportes.