Cycle of Lies

[Benotti69]

Macur means stigmata.

Cancer Jesus.

its metaphors stoopidz

10chara......

 

[Stingray34]

I thought the black socks were worn because he was infusing/injecting down there and black wouldn't show any blood???

Yes, and they were so long, like the legs on his bibs, which were also dark. He never went for the matching-bibs look when in yellow.

 

[Stingray34]

Macur means stigmata.

Cancer Jesus.

its metaphors stoopidz

Yes, she draws the metaphor after detailing the bizarre Jesus' Passion art in his home and then noticing the scars on his hands. My point is that the scars have a more profane cause.

Lance definitely has a god complex and identifies strongly with a sense of divine power and the victimisation of matyrdom. According to a suffering Landis on an early training ride with Lance, the latter beatifically says, "You don't have to suffer like you do. I can help take your pain away."

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Yes, she draws the metaphor after detailing the bizarre Jesus' Passion art in his home and then noticing the scars on his hands. My point is that the scars have a more profane cause.

Lance definitely has a god complex and identifies strongly with a sense of divine power and the victimisation of matyrdom. According to a suffering Landis on an early training ride with Lance, the latter beatifically says, "You don't have to suffer like you do. I can help take your pain away."

....after the ride, he fed the entire team with two loaves of bread and a flask of mead....

 

[Stingray34]

....after the ride, he fed the entire team with two loaves of bread and a flask of mead....

That's funny, I like it a lot

Was it Mary Kate or Ashley that anointed his hair with perfume and oil? He said unto her, "Do it, biatch, for the choads are forever with us."

 

[james_co]

Tyler Phinney trains(ed) with Lim in Colorado in 2013.

Yup, he runs training camps right from the middle of Boulder. Tons of young riders are exposed to him including the above and also TVG.

Similar to JV, CVV, GH, TD- he is making his living from the sordid past we are all aware of. The worst part of it we get to endure this type of garbage spewing about "nutrition."

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/skratch-labs/

 

[masking_agent]

damn, looks another good read. Ordered..

 

[SundayRider]

damn, looks another good read. Ordered..

Won't be buying/reading, I'm pretty much 'done' with the LA story.

 

[mewmewmew13]

damn, looks another good read. Ordered..

I like this a lot better than Wheelmen..
way more new info...

 

[masking_agent]

I like this a lot better than Wheelmen..
way more new info...

yes, from what I've been reading online , there is more insight..

 

[ralphbert]

I like this a lot better than Wheelmen..
way more new info...

I agree MUCH better. Wheelmen was a bit of a Zzzzzz. I read most of this with my mouth gaping open.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I agree MUCH better. Wheelmen was a bit of a Zzzzzz. I read most of this with my mouth gaping open.

lol exactly
still gaping for me I'm not finished

 

[86TDFWinner]

I like this a lot better than Wheelmen..
way more new info...

Wheelmen was ok IMO, I didn't realize how big of a POT Och was, until I read that book, and it gave so much info on him, his involvement w/doping, and how he encouraged the 7-11 team to do it, and we know the rest from there.

Also, I thought "Seven Deadly Sins" was a bit of a snooze.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Wheelmen was ok IMO, I didn't realize how big of a POT Och was, until I read that book, and it gave so much info on him, his involvement w/doping, and how he encouraged the 7-11 team to do it, and we know the rest from there.

Also, I thought "Seven Deadly Sins" was a bit of a snooze.

I never did read SDS…heard it was a snoozer and I was a bit irked @ Walsh …it also seemed as if he just cobbled it up to get out the door.

I just heard from someone that Och's raison d'être is money…pretty much sums up what you just said..

 

[Granville57]

Really looking forward to when this book hits the shelves here in the states, anyone have a US release date?

Well I picked up my copy at Barnes & Noble today.

Might have to trash the cover though. I could really do without that creepy gaze of his, staring out at me.

 

[elizab]

There's been some talk in this thread about LA's dysfunctional upbringing, and how that may have shaped him. You want to know who's childhood I would never wish on anybody?

Bill Strickland from Bicycling Magazine.

I read his book Ten Points when it came out. He is brutally honest about his own upbringing, his alcoholic and grotesquely abusive father, as well as his own personal transgressions later in life.

Even though I've often been a vocal critique of Strickland's love affair with Lance, I have nothing but respect for the guy as a person, someone who was able to overcome his horrid childhood and, by all accounts, lead a normal life without trying to destroy others.

I'd be willing to bet that Lance was never subjected to some of what Bill Strickland had to endure.

So that's one less excuse for Armstrong to use to justify himself (should he ever chose that path in the search for sympathy).

Amen! And even though bill was a kool-aid drinker, he's made it right. Z didn't live in Mayberry and he didn't turn out to be a diabolical pr1ck. Lance learned from Linda. I hope she reads the book.

I'm 100 pages or so into the book and two comments:
* I told Frankie that he's pegged at trying epo in 95 not 96. He said could be but he doesn't remember the exact year. He did say when he first tried it, it was try/experiment not a regular user. He never became a regular user either.
* I didn't keep quiet about the hospital room because it was expected of me. Hell, there was nowhere to turn! As it is, it took the Troll 3 1/2 years to call me. Remember, no usada or wada at the time.
* She's off on the timing of the pool incident (page 147). That happened after San Sebastian, not in the spring.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Amen! And even though bill was a kool-aid drinker, he's made it right. Z didn't live in Mayberry and he didn't turn out to be a diabolical pr1ck. Lance learned from Linda. I hope she reads the book.

I'm 100 pages or so into the book and two comments:
* I told Frankie that he's pegged at trying epo in 95 not 96. He said could be but he doesn't remember the exact year. He did say when he first tried it, it was try/experiment not a regular user.
* I didn't keep quiet about the hospital room because it was expected of me. Hell, there was nowhere to turn! As it is, it took the Troll 3 1/2 years to call me.
* She's off on the timing of the pool incident (page 147). That happened after San Sebastian, not in the spring.

Thanks for the insight Betsy!

 

[Hemassist]

Amen! And even though bill was a kool-aid drinker, he's made it right. Z didn't live in Mayberry and he didn't turn out to be a diabolical pr1ck. Lance learned from Linda. I hope she reads the book.

I'm 100 pages or so into the book and two comments:
* I told Frankie that he's pegged at trying epo in 95 not 96. He said could be but he doesn't remember the exact year. He did say when he first tried it, it was try/experiment not a regular user. He never became a regular user either.
* I didn't keep quiet about the hospital room because it was expected of me. Hell, there was nowhere to turn! As it is, it took the Troll 3 1/2 years to call me. Remember, no usada or wada at the time.
* She's off on the timing of the pool incident (page 147). That happened after San Sebastian, not in the spring.

Can you are anyone else share the pool incident? I haven't picked up my copy yet...but heading to the mall this weekend to grab a copy.

(apologies for asking)

 

[RownhamHill]

Lance wakes up after a party at his place with some women's clothes left next to his pool, and phones Betsy and asks 'who'd I end up with last night?'.

It turns out that they belong to a wife of one of the other riders in the team, who'd been for a swim in the early hours(!?). Or at least I think that's the implication - though I couldn't make out if we're meant to read between the lines of the strong denial from the aforementioned wife that is included in the text.

I just finished the whole book last night - got to say I liked the start best, but a couple of stand out bits for me in the later part:

- the story about Lance standing up his mentor Neal at the airport, when he'd promised to accompany him for a week of hardcore cancer treatment/chemo; apparently he'd got a backstage pass for some band I'd never heard of so blew him out at the airport!

- the description of the meeting with Lance and Tygart - I hadn't realised it had gone on for five hours or more. And Lance's idea that he should be allowed to compete because that's what he'd always done, and without competition he'd be sad. . . you did the crime son, now you gotta do the time!

 

[jam pants]

So, what's the tally of friend's wives, girlfriends and ex-wives that Armstrong has bedded? I've heard of 4 now. Livingston's SO is a new one.

Man, snubbing Neal when he needed a ride to chemo and on his deathbed. That's harsh.

 

[SundayRider]

So, what's the tally of friend's wives, girlfriends and ex-wives that Armstrong has bedded? I've heard of 4 now. Livingston's SO is a new one.

Man, snubbing Neal when he needed a ride to chemo and on his deathbed. That's harsh.

who are the other 3?

 

[elizab]

Can you are anyone else share the pool incident?
(apologies for asking)

this is one of those things where it's "tell me! tell me! tell me!" and then the person who tells is the bad guy because the story's so icky.

NO NO NO! Becky, kevin's wife, NEVER ended up with wonderboy. She hasn't been allowed to talk to me since 2003 but I'll vouch for her that she never ever would've done that.

After San Sebastian, we all went out and the guys got tanked - Frankie, wonderboy, george, kevin. Becky and I were there as well. I had our infant baby with us and after a night of partying (I don't drink) everyone but us went to lance's house. We went home. Kristin was back home because of her pregnancy by then.
The next morning, Race Radio's buddy called me up and asked, "Who did I end up with?" I told him he was a pig and said I don't know. Becky then called me up and said how she and Kevin went swimming in lance's pool that night before and she had to go back and collect her things. I called lance back and retold him the story.

 

[webbie146]

Nothing will change...because he is a sociopath. People, he is hard-wired to survive, alienate anyone and everyone if needed to get what HE wants and needs. He has no remorse, no social consciousness and never will. He has a mental illness.

If he had a fracture or cardiac issues he'd receive some form of physical or pharmacological therapy. Because his illness is inside his brain and psychological makeup it is unbelievably hard to treat, and, he will avoid any intervention with whatever means necessary.

As for his kids, if you read about his mental illness, they would be best suited far away from their Father.

My comments are not out of spite but are objective and practical. He is no Marco Pantani with demons and a substance abuse problem. He is his own problem that never appears on any radar. He is a sad and angry man, with a well documented Disorder. We should all stay away from him, and protect anyone around him.

lol Who are you to judge? You ever met the guy in real-life? You talk about him like you where together in the sixth grade. People are blowing this way out of proportions. Yea the guy doped, and yea he called Betsy fat ore something. Big deal. He get's bashed so hard you would think he killed someone or something like that

 

[jackhfoster]

- the description of the meeting with Lance and Tygart - I hadn't realised it had gone on for five hours or more. And Lance's idea that he should be allowed to compete because that's what he'd always done, and without competition he'd be sad. . . you did the crime son, now you gotta do the time!

In regards to this meeting, I find it hard to believe that Tygart had any concern for LAs well-being as its told in both books.

 

[Hemassist]

Lance wakes up after a party at his place with some women's clothes left next to his pool, and phones Betsy and asks 'who'd I end up with last night?'.

It turns out that they belong to a wife of one of the other riders in the team, who'd been for a swim in the early hours(!?). Or at least I think that's the implication - though I couldn't make out if we're meant to read between the lines of the strong denial from the aforementioned wife that is included in the text.

I just finished the whole book last night - got to say I liked the start best, but a couple of stand out bits for me in the later part:

- the story about Lance standing up his mentor Neal at the airport, when he'd promised to accompany him for a week of hardcore cancer treatment/chemo; apparently he'd got a backstage pass for some band I'd never heard of so blew him out at the airport!

- the description of the meeting with Lance and Tygart - I hadn't realised it had gone on for five hours or more. And Lance's idea that he should be allowed to compete because that's what he'd always done, and without competition he'd be sad. . . you did the crime son, now you gotta do the time!

Thanks, the reference had left me curious.

This book sounds like I don't want to read it, but also have to read it at the same time.

Feels a little bit like this:
http://i.imgur.com/dDSA8.gif