Doping raid Operación Galgo: Fuentes Caught...again

[Oldman]

To be fair, Jalabert went from a classics guy with a fast sprint to a Grand Tour winner at ONCE and "regressed" to polka-dots at CSC.

I stand corrected. The lessons learned at ONCE managed to prolong his career on both counts.

 

[hrotha]

I stand corrected. The lessons learned at ONCE managed to prolong his career on both counts.

Still, imagine Van Avermaet winning the Vuelta in 2012.

Or, since Jalabert was better than Van Avermaet, imagine Greg being 5th in the Vuelta in 2012.

 

[ellenbrook2001]

The magic spain bullet??????????

WELL Spain do have for many years so many elite athlete ?? cycling,soccer,etc when a country produced so many athletes in a such high level you have too ask your self why ?has we all now when European professional sportsman want too be better above all they just got accross Spain there you can found what ever you want . hes the fact but no one open they mouth about it??????????

 

[pmsc111]

'Spain's secretary for sport Jaime Lissavetzky said the investigation, in which 14 people were taken in for questioning, should not tarnish the country's recent sporting successes.

"Ninety-nine per cent of Spain's greatest successes in sport are not stained by doping in this 'Golden Era'," he said.'

 

[icefire]

'Spain's secretary for sport Jaime Lissavetzky said the investigation, in which 14 people were taken in for questioning, should not tarnish the country's recent sporting successes.

"Ninety-nine per cent of Spain's greatest successes in sport are not stained by doping in this 'Golden Era'," he said.'

Mr Lissavetzky needs an accountant. F1 and Motorbike racing don't add up to 99% of sport successes in Spain.

 

[python]

what i completely fail to understand is how the f. fuentes's mind works

the guy was lucky to avoid jail first time around and a few years down the road he's facing the same. is he an addicted gambler or plain stupid ?

 

[thehog]

what i completely fail to understand is how the f. fuentes's mind works

the guy was lucky to avoid jail first time around and a few years down the road he's facing the same. is he an addicted gambler or plain stupid ?

Smart guy. No way he"ll go to court. He's a protected specie.

 

[icefire]

what i completely fail to understand is how the f. fuentes's mind works

the guy was lucky to avoid jail first time around and a few years down the road he's facing the same. is he an addicted gambler or plain stupid ?

I fail to understand to understand that Fuentes (aka Asterix ) is still around but for very different reasons.

He was an athlete when he was at University. After getting his degree in the early 80's he joined the Medical Committee of the Spanish Federation of Athletics. His methods were suspicious then, and the current President of the Federation (Mr Odriozola) was a strong opponent of him at that time when he was just a candidate. Fuentes resigned from his duties in the Federation and moved to cycling just months before Odriozola was elected in 1989.

On top of this Mr Odriozola holds a PhD in Biology and is a Professor of Biochemistry. They don't even need Fuentes to be around.

 

[hrotha]

How can you not laugh when you read stuff like this article from friggin' 1985?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I fail to understand to understand that Fuentes (aka Asterix ) is still around but for very different reasons.

Shouldn't he be Panoramix rather than Asterix?

 

[icefire]

Shouldn't he be Panoramix rather than Asterix?

Sure, but it seems that his patients can't tell the difference.

 

[icefire]

A marathon runner speaks out against Pascua:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2010/12/11/masdeporte/1292066152.html

Interestingly, the news is a literal quote from the runner's web page and provides a link that returns a '403 Forbidden error'

 

[sniper]

How can you not laugh when you read stuff like this article from friggin' 1985?

Muy interesting. Muy light-shedding.
Spanish athletism feeling disadvantaged in the 80s, probably rightly so, cuz by that time other developed countries are already massively experimenting with doping. Then, probably aided by the fact that the Barcelona games are up and coming, Fuentes and the likes get all the playground and financial support from governing bodies (Spanish Olympic Committee included) to catch up with the latest European trends. By then, nobody feels guilty about it, cuz all they are doing is catching up with already existing methods. This mentality then sticks around for a while and doping structures in Spain are taken to a whole other level in the 90s.

 

[sniper]

A marathon runner speaks out against Pascua:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2010/12/11/masdeporte/1292066152.html

Interestingly, the news is a literal quote from the runner's web page and provides a link that returns a '403 Forbidden error'

Most of Pedro Nimo's comments on Pascua can be found here:
http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/11122010/47/maratoniano-tira-manta.html

 

[khardung la]

what i completely fail to understand is how the f. fuentes's mind works

the guy was lucky to avoid jail first time around and a few years down the road he's facing the same. is he an addicted gambler or plain stupid ?

The first time there was no anti-doping law in Spain, now there is one. People tend to forget that little detail when judging the judge Serrano in OP.

Anyway, Fuentes is plain stupid now because he thought that the information he holds would stop politicians from going after him. Maybe he is right, but he did not count that Guardia Civil is very competent and found again proofs against him. After this huge scandal in Spain I am not that sure that politicians will protect Fuentes again, but let's see.

 

[khardung la]

How can you not laugh when you read stuff like this article from friggin' 1985?

Wow, that is amazing, thanks for sharing.

How much they learned in just 20 years...they really kept up with the rest of Europe quite fast, maybe they even got better than them.

 

[D-Queued]

what i completely fail to understand is how the f. fuentes's mind works

the guy was lucky to avoid jail first time around and a few years down the road he's facing the same. is he an addicted gambler or plain stupid ?

Probably more related to his pocketbook and personal burn rate than it is to how is mind works.

Hard to take that sharp cut in pay.

Dave.

 

[Cloxxki]

Alemayehu Bezabeh has admitted to having doped, and will not show up for the European Cross championships in Portugal, Spanish newpapers report.

 

[Oldman]

How can you not laugh when you read stuff like this article from friggin' 1985?

Eddie B's era was ushered in with full USOC support back then, as well. All they want is Gold....

 

[D-Queued]

Eddie B's era was ushered in with full USOC support back then, as well. All they want is Gold....

The nerve of Fuentes to blame it all on the US!

Google translation of the last paragraph of the El Pais article:

The doctor's fear that their research is not understood, 'quixotic because few of us win. Nobody is shocked because pitchers (lanzadores) of the USSR and the GDR did not attend last minute competitions where drug testing is done because they have not eliminated the effects of certain substances ingested. Neither the United States because 67 athletes selected for the Olympic Games did not compete because before they did and still control their bodies showed signs of prohibited medications

Didn't McQuaid tell us that it was the Southern Euro countries that were the source of all the problems?

Among other quotes (this one from 2008):

Such "cocoons," added McQuaid, seem to have been largely eliminated from the French and German teams, but they remain in certain Spanish teams, and, perhaps, one or two Italian teams

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Wasn't that before the whole Freiburg clinic thing unravelled?

(from Dec 2009) Klöden to pay fine in Freiburg clinic doping case

Damn if Pat didn't have to eat his words back then.

Wonder what McQuaid has to say now about the recent doping ring busted in Normandy?

Then again, when it comes to finger-wagging, McQuaid is the first to try and deflect attention. Maybe he is the son of Rudicio?

Dave.

 

[thehog]

The first time there was no anti-doping law in Spain, now there is one. People tend to forget that little detail when judging the judge Serrano in OP.

Anyway, Fuentes is plain stupid now because he thought that the information he holds would stop politicians from going after him. Maybe he is right, but he did not count that Guardia Civil is very competent and found again proofs against him. After this huge scandal in Spain I am not that sure that politicians will protect Fuentes again, but let's see.

Nah Real Madrid will put a contract on his head. Shame Barca are €340m in debt. They'll probably just shoot his family.

 

[sniper]

Nah Real Madrid will put a contract on his head. Shame Barca are €340m in debt. They'll probably just shoot his family.

Do you (or anybody else) perhaps know if FC Barca was somehow involved/implicated in Operacion Puerto?
In the German Blut und Spielen documentary from 2006, this is suggested, though rather implicitly, merely by showing a teamfoto of that period (the Ronaldinho/Rijkaard team), but it is not comment upon.

 

[icefire]

Nah Real Madrid will put a contract on his head. Shame Barca are €340m in debt. They'll probably just shoot his family.

Barça has just got some fresh cash:
http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/qatar-foundation-pagara-150-millones/20101211dasdaiftb_36/Tes

 

[thehog]

Barça has just got some fresh cash:
http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/qatar-foundation-pagara-150-millones/20101211dasdaiftb_36/Tes

Only 25m a year. Barely enough to pay for Messi.

Still think it's easier to kill Funetes. Hit man will cost them around 500k. Last time round Fuentes received two types of death threats. One was not to name names and the second was to start up business again because footballers were getting tired.

Off he went to Portugal and started again.

The UCI knew this. Reports were coming out two years ago that the Fuentes was back in the game and supplying cyclists.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Among other quotes (this one from 2008):

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Wasn't that before the whole Freiburg clinic thing unravelled?

Even if it wasn't, you may recall the names Stefan Schumacher, Bernhard Kohl and Davide Rebellin, who rode for a German team in 2008.

As did Francesco De Bonis, who was taken off the road in May '08 for being too suspicious after an unbelievable win in the Tour de Romandie, was Rebellin's protégé and went with him to Diquigiovanni, and promptly got suspended for passport violations in '09.

The team of Schumacher and Kohl thought his performances too suspicious and suspended him internally.